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Have you slayed a therapist?
Yes. It was a need fulfilled; a duty or calling. 19%  19%  [ 10 ]
No. Therapists I've encoutered are all sterling.....really. 9%  9%  [ 5 ]
Therapist Slaying?? Like with a wooden stake & a silver DSM? 11%  11%  [ 6 ]
I'm considering the option. Or maybe hiring an exorcist (same thing) 19%  19%  [ 10 ]
What....? 21%  21%  [ 11 ]
I've at least educated mine as to ASD 13%  13%  [ 7 ]
No, but I bring incense to sessions. Just in case. 8%  8%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 53

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19 Sep 2010, 1:02 pm

SteveBorg wrote:
The biggest takeaway I got from this discussion is: never make assumptions: listen carefully, and provide the best possible help, and always ask for feedback along the way.


Thank you, and I appreciate you are a counselor. I ought to express how much I appreciate those who are good and kind; I've met those who are delightful people.

I know those I've revealed here are the worst-of-the-worst....and they hurt. But also in the minority. I know counselors, those who are in a position of authority, are in a unique position to damage, and I've met them.

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19 Sep 2010, 5:03 pm

I think it's wonderful a counselor is here, interested in learning about how autism is for real people, not just in the diagnostic criteria written in a book. Welcome SteveBorg! :)



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19 Sep 2010, 5:08 pm

Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. (Abe Lincoln)

We AS people are the lamb. The NT world are the wolves.



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19 Sep 2010, 9:11 pm

A year ago I would totally agree with therapists are worthless. I thought there were people out there that searched for a DX, or multiple DXs and their therapist was just another person that had to listen to their list of denials.

I was disappointed with the whole mental health field their lack of progress. I don't think the field has made big inroads in 30 years. There is no modern day Jung, no pioneers. The MDs give out drugs, without even testing blood or taking much more time than an hour to talk to a patient. There is very little science, objective science in the Mental Health criteria for DXs. I don't understand why someone would say "I've been DXed, now what do I do....I've been DXed, how do I apply for disability?" It feels like a scam to me and again there is no science in these DXes. It is subjective and open to 'how do you feel today?' The criteria is not measurable. I have no idea how someone couldn't know who they are and research this before throwing themselves at a Dr that is going to DX them in an hour interview? Are they insane?

And what is even worse is the clueless parents that have no idea what to do with their children. They don't study the kid, figure it out, test it....no they run to a doctor and let the doctor come up with an assessment after some short interview and testing that does not reveal 'levels' of difficulties. The DSM-IV of ADD, ADHD, AS, HFA is just ret*d...how does anyone have any faith in it, let alone turn over their OWN child to it? I don't understand the lure of the field, the lack of science, the inability to PROVE anything any of these Dr..s think and then come up with in a diagnosis. We will all soon be reading the huge amounts of testimonies of the people with the wrong DX and how it ruined their life. Whatever, if you are stupid enough to to believe an assessment or DSM-IV without getting your ego out of the way, ie. 'please help me', ie. I can't handle life and work...then you get whatever you have wanted.

The greatest discovery of the last 30 years...the greatest intellectual model of a mind, of the last 20 years is the availability of information on the internet. Read read read read read....test test test test....study study study study....get the fricking ego issues out of the way and figure it the heck out. I don't get it, the high level thinking with no desire to figure it out. A parent that won't take the time to figure out their own kid or an adult that wants someone to tell them who they are? Who knows themselves better than THEMSELVES and who knows their kid better than anyone else??????

That being said and with real passion and anger at the ignorance believed, and the ego centricity that permeates every person and entity I encounter I met a true mind in this ridiculous world. A therapist that actually thinks, is capable of thinking and incorporating true mental energy with compassion. A guide, not a bored, arrogant, self consumed humanist, but a person still open to therapy works when minds meet. It is all I have ever needed, meet my mind where it exists. My therapist is capable, bright enough to be capable. It is a meeting of the minds which enables me the ability to be teachable, when the teacher knows what DOESN'T need to be learned. Too bad most therapists are not smart enough to figure out what a patient needs and then provides it. Too bad it is all about ego, their egos and the patient's ego, and not a meeting of the minds.


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20 Sep 2010, 2:40 am

Good comments, thanks alone. Our ego's get in the way all through life, only seems natural they would raise their ugly heads during therapy



I have some pride which gets in the way of help, but that hurt pride was probably due to bad experiences with therapists in the past. I have trust and security issues which run quite deep now, and some of the contributing factors were abusive therapists.

The latest blow from a therapist was during group when I found out he wraps his kids lunches in old re washable nappies. They are clean and not used for poop some years now. But still, I really cant trust someone who wraps their kids sandwiches in cotton nappies, that used to catch their poop.

That is just wrong to me in so many ways I was kinda stunned. Maybe he was lying, how could you do that? If my folks made me take my lunch to school in a nappy, I'd be pretty ashamed



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20 Sep 2010, 3:08 am

Therapists scare me.



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20 Sep 2010, 9:34 am

Surfman wrote:
Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. (Abe Lincoln)

We AS people are the lamb. The NT world are the wolves.


Amen (minus the religious aspect). Precisely.


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20 Sep 2010, 10:52 am

I feel that way, too, though I have met some good ones.



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20 Sep 2010, 1:02 pm

I'm gonna call mine to cancel he appointment and tell him the stuff I mentioned whenever both of my parents are at work.



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21 Sep 2010, 6:49 pm

Lab Pet and Aimless, thank you for your words of affirmation. I have learned a whole lot from the conversation here. I will strive not to make assumptions; to have compassion mixed with mental energy; and to learn from my clients what they already know (in other words, what they do not need to learn).

I only ask that fellow members here not stereotype every single therapist with a broad brush: you may just find exceptions, and those exceptions could make a positive difference for you.


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22 Sep 2010, 1:17 am

SteveBorg wrote:
Lab Pet and Aimless, thank you for your words of affirmation. I have learned a whole lot from the conversation here. I will strive not to make assumptions; to have compassion mixed with mental energy; and to learn from my clients what they already know (in other words, what they do not need to learn).

I only ask that fellow members here not stereotype every single therapist with a broad brush: you may just find exceptions, and those exceptions could make a positive difference for you.


Sorry I didnt give you enough emotional support Steve, you seem like a nice guy. :)

Its not you counsellor guys fault, that we have to pay $$$$$$ for a 'friend' to listen to our pain. Some more government funding might make things better?

Society has little systems in place for us to become useful members, when they could, and introverts like us get labelled as creepy.

So they hire you guys to go 'there there, how does that make you feel? I think you need to get over yourself and try harder.....' :roll:

When I say the words 'whores of babylon' how does that make you feel? :?:



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22 Sep 2010, 8:42 pm

Don't worry, I'm not being paid by the government: yet. Most of my clients are either self-pay or private insurance. In other words, they are usually there because they choose to be :)


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22 Sep 2010, 8:46 pm

^ Or can afford to be. :)



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23 Sep 2010, 1:05 am

^ a tool of the state?