Are you capable of believing in God?

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If you can provide irrefutable evidence for the existence of a deity, then I think that would be the only circumstance for me to believe in a deity. Either that or you could severely brainwash me. Other than that, I really can't make myself believe in a God without evidence.

Perhaps you should try studying evolution more than wikipedia articles and try picking up some actual reading material.

You are looking at it the wrong way around. We know what maple trees look like. We know how they grow. We know there are little twiddly things inside them that carry a template, of sorts, for their growth. You can look at them and see how they work. Even if you are a Creationist and believe God made the maple tree yesterday, or made it spring into being at some remote date, you cannot deny - without denying the evidence of your own eyes - that this is how maple trees grow.

You can also see that there are ways in which the little twiddly things can be changed by their environment, like radiation for instance. So you have a tree which grows based on a pattern held in the little twiddly things - a pattern which can and is changed every now and then. If those changes are bad, the tree that grows may be sick, or die; if they are neutral, it might change in some cosmetic way; if they are positive (which is rare) the tree will end up better. Again, only someone prepared to deny the evidence of their own eyes would claim that nature as it exists is perfect - look around - or that there are ways in which things can be improved over their present forms. The question we are left with is not, how can things evolve? but how can they not?

Creationism is not actually incompatible with evolution - if you choose to believe the world was created a few thousand years ago on the strength of some geezer writing it in a book back in the Ignorant Ages, you can't actually be disproven - but attempting to argue that things do not evolve when the evidence is in every cell of every body of every living thing on the planet is to blind yourself to reality, which is a shame.

Ambivalence: It is the rabid evolutionist who "blinds himself to reality". If life existed first in primitive forms and grew into wht we have now, how did it start? how did we go from non-organic to organic matter? did a rock decide one day that it was going to make a bacterium?

I find it much more likely that a system of life this complex MUST be the work of a designer. Left to chance, our present would is a statistical impossiblity. micro-evolution is certainly possible, thing undergo small changes, a dog can be a different color than its parent, but its still a dog.

This video is actually the pastor of my church giving a talk on evolution, as much as it may sting, please watch it all the way through, he makes good points towards the end.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7qhB6oqyjY[/youtube]

^ That is beyond laughable.

Please stop feeding him. The more you argue with people like him, the more you are being seen as "the bad guy" and the more entrenched they become in their ridiculous and asinine and naive views of the world.

Let him figure it out at his own pace. (If he ever figures it out.)

I am not capable. Not anymore.

Nature takes care of itself, no designer is necessary.

If it's me you're talking to, shut up. It's beyond laughable that anyone would listen to a red-neck fool like that and call it Church, or Religion, and whatever else they call it. People like that really do scare me.

Dilbert:

Ive been on the fence about this for a long time. Im quitting wrongplanet. I never expected anyone here to agree with me and abandon their own thought. Nor did i expect people like you to be so hateful to a person who is only trying to help them. What i speak is truth, and truth hurts, no denying that. We will have to agree to disagree here. I wish nothing but the best for you, i hope you come to your senses before its too late. I have no hatred for you, even though i can see that you hate me. My God tells me to love, but to be authoritative.

Im assinine and naive for believing that there are better things to come? assinine and naive for being able to see all the evil going on in this world?

There is no point trying to reason with someone who will not open their eyes and see that not everything is made of stone, not everything is concrete. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, that applies to spiritual as well as physical matter. For me, it is impossible to understand how anyone could believe in the theory of evolution, its laughable to me. a monkey had sex with another monkey, that happened five million more times then you were born. thats just foolishness to me.

To me there is no other way it could have happened, as i said already, this universe is too complex to just happen by chance. You want physical proof to hold in your hands? your out of luck, you want the kind of proof that can only come by opening your eyes and seeing? THEN LOOK!

Reality is staring you in the face, apparently you cant see it, or dont want to see it.

Meadow: You should be scared, but not of me or my pastor. The reality that is staring into dilberts face, is staring at you too.

Last edited by thechadmaster on 16 Sep 2010, 4:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Meadow > Agreed. However, the more you say things like that, the less he will listen to reason, and the more entrenched he will become in his convictions. It is counter-productive.

I'm not here to help him/her change. It isn't a remote possibility, anyway. I just know personally how scary they are. That is all.

Ignorance is frightening, nothing more.

Thechadmaster, If you were truly strong in your conviction, people who have issue with your beliefs, like myeslf, wouldn't bother or upset you so much. You are free to believe whatever you want, but you don't have the right to force it upon others the way so many of you do.

belief in God is a mild form of mental illness

no more - no less

Aliens are gods to primitive people....even a plane in the sky over a remote tribe, will be a tribulation

We all are capable. If only G-D would show up plainly.

ruveyn