Jared Loughner is an aspie?
I am reminded of an old tale of a man who was driving down a road next to a mental hospital, when he got a flat tire. Like most motorists, as he removed the lug nuts, he put them into his upturned hubcap. As he put the spare on, he noticed one of the inmates was staring at him. This rattled him so much, he accidentally stepped on the edge of the hubcap, sending the nuts flying into a field. He stared at the car in despair, wondering how he was going to put the spare on now.
The inmate spoke up. "Take one from each of the others," he said.
"What?"
"Take one nut from each of the other wheels. That will give you three nuts holding on each wheel, and that'll get you to a store where you can buy more lug nuts."
"Thanks!" the man replied. "You know, if you don't mind my saying so, that's some pretty clear thinking for - well - someone in your position. What are you doing in there?"
"I'm crazy, not stupid."
Lougher's crazy, not stupid.
It's got nothing to do with stupidity and everything to do with rationality. The insane person demonstrates an inability to control himself due to a mental illness yet this guy knows the full extent of his miranda rights and the fifth amendment. He obviously, very much so, has a lot of self control. He isn't as insane as the media is portraying him, apparently.
I find it interesting how the media promptly fits every mass killer into the "he was a crazy loner" stereotype (and along with that now they're trying to link this guy to the Tea Party so as to give politicians carte blanche to destroy the movement), instead of just admitting that Evil exists, and that some people are just Evil.
KPHO in Phoenix had an article about this guy going to see a psychic for some sort of help with the voices he was hearing, and he scared her so much that she no longer does in person readings! She actually was afraid for her life, being around this guy! Really.
I do think there's an agenda to tag people with "mental illness" so they can be forcibly drugged for life by the drug companies so as to increase profits. The thing is, the crazy meds actually make people crazier than they would have been otherwise! And of course, locking people up for life leads to job security for prison guards and the prison-industrial complex.
But I don't think that any of that is overtly at work here, although anything the media can do to increase the power of its masters they will. This guy is simply evil. The journalists were raised on the idea that everything is environmental, nothing is innate, an idea that was disproved LONG ago. But they still want to push it.
I just think it's incredibly sad that this poor kid is having anything whatever discussed or analyzed about him in public, when the only source of information is the news media.
That trustworthy bastion of wholesomeness and unvarnished truth, gloriously free of partisan interests, never having an axe to grind, never feeling compelled to spin out any old sensationalist crap because it would make money.
Oh no; not ever would this be remotely true of the media...
We. Do. Not. Have. The. Facts.
Speculation. Is. Pointless.
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I haven't personally put any effort into it but based on the way they've been describing him in the media I'd say he had alot more serious issues than asperger's, he sounded completely mentally incoherent.
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All I can say is I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to ask this.
And that I never did.
What does it matter? The kid is sick and should be treated, and society needs to be protected from him.
That is all that matters. I don't care what he "has."
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This does not follow. If his delusion places the government in the position of a great, controlling evil, his delusion alone would be enough to keep him silent. He would much more likely open up to a perceived ally. He may even see his defense attorney as part of the system and not be open with her.
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The road to my hell is paved with your good intentions.
Really? And what, exactly, does "aspieness" smell like?

Offensive remark, to say the least, though I doubt you meant it that way.

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I'm not likely to be around much longer. As before when I first signed up here years ago, I'm finding that after a long hiatus, and after only a few days back on here, I'm spending way too much time here again already. So I'm requesting my account be locked, banned or whatever. It's just time. Until then, well, I dunno...
I think that he is definitely schizophrenic by his postings on sites and YouTube. I hate that fact that he is mentally ill, that damages my kind (I am also schizoaffective and so are my friends and they are nice and not dangerous in any way). My kind are portrayed by the media as animals that should be put down. Wild animals at that. According to the media we are highly dangerous people. No, maybe Anti Social personality disorder who doesn't care about people's rights or the law. But people who are diagnosed with a mental illness such as schizophrenia are more likely to be VICTIMS of crime, not the one who commits the crime. There are indicators that will increase violence among the mentally ill such as being off the meds and also being an alcoholic and a drug user. But these things increase violence among the non mentally ill as well. Now people on the streets will look at me with deadly eyes wanting to kill me because I am mentally ill. They want to get rid of me so I don't hurt others. I would NEVER hurt another person. The only person I am ever a danger to is myself. There are times like Jared that I talk in complete word salads but it doesn't make me evil. Based on his postings he has a thought disorder. Severe disorganized speech. Oh when will the media actually say that being mentally ill does not increase violence?? They should be forced to say that when a mentally ill person does in fact commit a crime. No, they want their ratings to be high. Half the time they make it sound the world is ending even with a simple shooting.
That trustworthy bastion of wholesomeness and unvarnished truth, gloriously free of partisan interests, never having an axe to grind, never feeling compelled to spin out any old sensationalist crap because it would make money.
Oh no; not ever would this be remotely true of the media...
We. Do. Not. Have. The. Facts.
Speculation. Is. Pointless.
I don't feel sorry for him. I believe he's the one who went on the shooting spree. I just disagree with other information.
I disagree with all this distancing the far right and the tea party are doing. Why is it he targeted a democratic congresswoman in a state that leans to the far right after she barely won here reelection? It's so obvious why he chose her. Not only her, but he went on a shooting spree in a place where the people who voted for her and her staff would be. He wanted to attack her, her supporters and the people who voted for her. Why is that obvious fact so easy for people to miss? He didn't choose this location because of insanity. It was cunning on his part and who else's? That remains to be seen if we ever get to hear the truth, that is.
Please, media, especially Fox news...do not insult our collective intelligence with your bs anymore.
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I agree with you, but I believe that the decision to present Loughner's crime in this way is a strategic, political decision on the part of some. The Republicans' and Tea Partiers' attempts to distance themselves are because they are aware of the connection and culpability. I believe Fox News will not present the story accurately and instead presents it in such a way as to make the right wing look blameless.
Plus the cultural narrative about mental illness = dangerous gives an easy way out of acknowledging what happened.
I agree with you, but I believe that the decision to present Loughner's crime in this way is a strategic, political decision on the part of some. The Republicans' and Tea Partiers' attempts to distance themselves are because they are aware of the connection and culpability. I believe Fox News will not present the story accurately and instead presents it in such a way as to make the right wing look blameless.
Plus the cultural narrative about mental illness = dangerous gives an easy way out of acknowledging what happened.
It does seem like the media is looking for that easy way out in this situation. To claim Loughner is mentally ill would mean not having to face some tough realities about the fringe movements in this country. They often attract extremists who pull this sort of thing. It has happened time and time again and the right always gets like this about it, on the defensive like they are being victimized and it's the left who are against them . Why is it the same circumstances revolve around the far right? There's been shootings, bombings, a plane was flown into a building in Austin, all by people on the far right. More than a little coincidental, yet conservative extremists keep wanting to play these games insulting everyone's intelligence in the process.
he is mentally ill and with the lack of support network from family, friends, and the community at large. he was a ticking time bomb that was not given the care, treatment, and support. it seems to me his friendships were short,random, and ended suddenly by his choice of a text message and when he allegedly laughed outloud when a classmate read a poem about abortion, that is mental illness, not aspergers. if i had been in that class, i would have thought he was a sick f*****g douchebag. Sure it may not be all his fault as mental illness stems from so many influences/reasons/environments, etc. but He is ultimately responsible for his actions and i hope he gets put away for life.
No wonder we have it rough.
That not only annoys me, but makes me mad. Every time somebody goes on a shooting spree the media is quick to list up characteristics that people tend to find a bit out of the ordinary. The media doesn't mention when shooters are extraverted, talkative, social, have lots of friends etc. In this case it even sounds like the description the media gave of the shooter was completely incorrect, but do you hear them correcting it?
People are enough already freaked out about quiet people, loners and people who struggle socially without the media stigmatizing those traits even more by labelling every damn murderer with them and emphasizing this in their coverage.
I also hate when they feel the need to mention whenever a criminal has some mental disorder or even speculate about it on the media when it's completely irrelevant to what the person did. In most cases those disorders have little or nothing to do with the crime committed, but when people constantly hear certain disorders mentioned in relation to murderers and other criminals, they jump to the conclusion that all people with that disorder are potentially dangerous or bad people that they need to stay away from. Aspies, schizophrenics etc. don't commit more crimes than other people, but a lot of people think that they do because the disorders are so often mentioned in the media while they never hear "the murderer had no disorder whatsoever".
I'm an aspie and I'm quiet, have few friends and am pretty much a loner who keeps to myself (I have no choice, because I don't know how to make new friends or keep them). I have on several occasions noticed that some people are scared of me, freaked out or uncomfortable with my quiet loner demeanor. I don't need stuff like this to make things even worse and cause even more ostracization.

Thank you! Exactly my feelings.
And from all the pictures and reports on him, he doesn't fit the profile of an Aspie at all.
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