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What % of autism would you guess you are?
100% - Never was alive just was a concept. 20%  20%  [ 6 ]
50% - Different and aware of differences. 67%  67%  [ 20 ]
1% - Total Bliss Unaware of Autism. 13%  13%  [ 4 ]
0% - You do not have autism. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 30

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30 Jan 2011, 12:23 am

I can say autism has never been an identity for me and I've been witness to autism advocacy in the self-advocacy groups for some 8 years online. To me it was a potential way of finding improvements. The pride stuff I never accepted because here I was sitting isolated at home in another city I did not know and that was my normal thing anyways, not getting to the grocery store, doctors and just focused on my interests which was ok but my life was not healthy all in all. Self-advocacy was to me online more of a way to redefine autism, see me as not like them because I had something different but when large awareness tried to help pride got upset. I can remember being very upset with the owner of this site for going up against autism is a prison advocacy. I was upset because that really reflected my lack of inclusion and my being left out. Now I am a consumer of the regional center network and I have a support worker everyday. This is more likely the result of mainstream groups then pride advocates going up against them.

Do I want to see autism in my own behavior? No not really but others do to fit in socially online, to understand why they have been different and for other reasons. It's not important to me but what is important to me is my and others health, opportunity and ability to be just as human as everyone else is in all ways possible when chosen. This reflects the law and is dignified.

Some people don't like my saying this because of pride. Also because of the autism abortion issue. Yet also because I and others might cost more money to tax-payers. I do not control these things but my and others truth is simple.

I am not an alien, not a monster, not a defect as an identity and I am human like everyone else.

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30 Jan 2011, 12:30 am

ci wrote:
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The abstract while can lead to understanding cannot always lead to absolute. By law autism is a disability and the less of it you have the less substantially disabled you are and the more you have the more profound the disability.


I notice an odd trend in your posts. You seem to have a lot of respect for the law. As if everything done is done via politics and legislating. As if the law is the sole arbiter of truth. Is law a special interest of yours? Do you have a lot of respect for rules?

Anyway, I don't think that what the law says about the facts is necessarily true. I think truth is truth and law is a crazy mess of words thrown together to benefit various groups of rich people. What the law says about autism is simply not true. I believe that you can be very autistic and not disabled, and I believe that you can be profoundly disabled by a moderate amount of autism. I also don't believe that you just have more or less autism. Because different traits get people labeled autistic, you can have a lot of one and not a lot of another. Like, suppose you rated all the traits on a scale of 0 (not present) to 100 (most extreme possible) and then added up all those numbers to get somebody's autism score, and that determined how autistic somebody was. But what if two people had exactly the same score except for two traits, and Person A had a score of 50 on trait 1 and 50 on trait 2, whereas Person B had a score of 100 on trait 1 and 0 on trait 2? Which of them is more autistic? But it's important to understand the distinction, because it might be the difference between nondisabled and profoundly disabled.


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30 Jan 2011, 12:39 am

DandelionFireworks wrote:
ci wrote:
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The abstract while can lead to understanding cannot always lead to absolute. By law autism is a disability and the less of it you have the less substantially disabled you are and the more you have the more profound the disability.


I notice an odd trend in your posts. You seem to have a lot of respect for the law. As if everything done is done via politics and legislating. As if the law is the sole arbiter of truth. Is law a special interest of yours? Do you have a lot of respect for rules?

Anyway, I don't think that what the law says about the facts is necessarily true. I think truth is truth and law is a crazy mess of words thrown together to benefit various groups of rich people. What the law says about autism is simply not true. I believe that you can be very autistic and not disabled, and I believe that you can be profoundly disabled by a moderate amount of autism. I also don't believe that you just have more or less autism. Because different traits get people labeled autistic, you can have a lot of one and not a lot of another. Like, suppose you rated all the traits on a scale of 0 (not present) to 100 (most extreme possible) and then added up all those numbers to get somebody's autism score, and that determined how autistic somebody was. But what if two people had exactly the same score except for two traits, and Person A had a score of 50 on trait 1 and 50 on trait 2, whereas Person B had a score of 100 on trait 1 and 0 on trait 2? Which of them is more autistic? But it's important to understand the distinction, because it might be the difference between nondisabled and profoundly disabled.


There are a few laws I function by but it all depends on context to these matters. Also I am overseeing the formation of a inclusion agency and am the boss of the public relations whilst others are other kinds of bosses. I make all final decisions but the general framework is agreed upon but does not include the PR platform.

http://www.dds.ca.gov/ConsumerCorner/docs/LA_Guide.pdf

Qualifying participants (consumers) are not diagnosed by me, reduced in rights for the absents of traits and are generically covered under this law. If you are to high functioning you are not covered by this law. People with A.S do not qualify but that may change depending upon the new DSM which I have no interest in.


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30 Jan 2011, 12:55 am

Id say 25%. Dont show it mostly when talking to people and to the few ive mentioned it to they dont believe me or they point out things that were hints but they ignored.



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30 Jan 2011, 4:04 am

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just when i thought the political forum on this website couldnt get more rediculous,im once again proven wrong.i think there giving out to much medical marajuana in your home states


This conversation has nothing to do with pot heads. I do have a pot head candle though which is a negative stereotype as a funny. The idea was to stir the image (idea) of autism within those that partake in it on a daily basis. To me it leads to at times irrational conclusions of the world around people and really absurd politics. Perhaps you have proven to be a republican?

Autism social philosophy akin to conceptological pot smoking? heh
i have voted repubican all my life,never voted for a single democrat



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30 Jan 2011, 5:40 am

Then my induction was correct. For some reason mainstream politics have allot to do with self-advocacy. Including the abortion issue making others with autism feel worthless should it be developed, image of autism issue to redefine autism when commonly gifted people are wrongly diagnosed with A.S it is thought and so on. Republicans don't want to take autism as seriously on average but on the other hand as well not fund the help needed. Seems to be a clear bias meanwhile autism speaks is more of a democrat organization that might lead to a prenatal test that of course anti-selective abortion are against in the self-advocacy movement.

It is my belief Republican agenda's are at play here. Is the view point wrong? Not really but the bias is clear and I'd hope they would stop targeting the self-esteem of people with autism concerning the abortion issue to get support. Me I've been a swing voter in my behavior. I can't wait to go public with this at some point but also say while abortion is an emotionally hard subject for women in general people with autism are wonderful people and you ought to think really hard before abortion before simply deciding based on autism awareness.

Think you like this as a Republican? I really think some sort of scientific test should be developed and standardized for people claiming to have autism. This way with proper brain scans as done in neurosciences, genetic matching and so on could provide more integrity as a whole so services that are in desperate need can be funded appropriately for certified individuals.

You like this?


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30 Jan 2011, 11:07 am

i have not been politicaly active lately,i have not voted in local elections since moving from boston to vermont in 04 i did vote mccain palin in 08.i have never voted democrat.what republican when and were has atached the self esteem of autistics.while wrongplanet's mousad is busy hunting nazi's at autism speaks rebuplicans are already trying to reduce abortion in general.even though prenatal testing cant at this time diagnos autism,it can disagnos downs and research shows only 1/3 of pre natal diagnosed fetuses with downs syndrome are carried to full term and are born.downs syndrome related abortions are on the rise world wide.where is wrongplanet nazi hunters on this issue,if we cant stand up agaisnt downs related abortion now,then how do we deserve to have someone stand up for us down the line when autism's proven genetic.



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30 Jan 2011, 3:41 pm

If it's one thing I've learned and with common sense as well that kind of approach does not work. Calling people Nazi's is kind of crazy. As a voter I wouldn't even listen to you. I'd listen to people that talked about how wonderful people with Down Syndrome are. I know a democrat that is also a nurse that had a baby with Down Syndrome and knew it prior and chose not to abort. The other problem is the world is not yet setup for people with autism and other DD's. Maybe your Republican friends and the democrat donkey's could help with making the world a more inclusive and enabling place for this diversity and then people would feel less like the world would leave them and us out. Then more would be born despite the law being what it is when it likely won't change and I cannot do anything about it.

Maybe really smart people with autism if God had a will had ordained some of us to make changes in the world. Maybe the devil if there is one had gone inside of you and gave you illusions of Nazi's to attack peoples emotions. That way the discourse would be reduced, less born and they feel your talk is more prone to lies of desperation.

The God entity archetype does not take away freewill often if I might explain it that way.

It is just some thoughts Mr. Grasshopper!


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30 Jan 2011, 5:19 pm

i did not say nazi.i refered to the paranoid element on your rediculous political forum as nazi hunters because there always refering to autism speaks as nazi's.i was being sarcastic i was sort of making fun of the people you like to make fun of,and i saprised you didnt get the joke.i made reference to pat bauer's article on abortion and downs syndrome because the i was trying to show anti abortion millitants on the rediculous political forum are only against autistic abortion and in favor of all others.you intentionaly took my comment out of context so you can try to embarass someone for fun.your are a hypocrite and your on all sides of every issue at the same time and i think im done responding to your stupid posts



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30 Jan 2011, 5:50 pm

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i did not say nazi.i refered to the paranoid element on your rediculous political forum as nazi hunters because there always refering to autism speaks as nazi's.i was being sarcastic i was sort of making fun of the people you like to make fun of,and i saprised you didnt get the joke.i made reference to pat bauer's article on abortion and downs syndrome because the i was trying to show anti abortion millitants on the rediculous political forum are only against autistic abortion and in favor of all others.you intentionaly took my comment out of context so you can try to embarass someone for fun.your are a hypocrite and your on all sides of every issue at the same time and i think im done responding to your stupid posts


You are a fascinating person..

I think you are interested in one point of view or a few. I like many. That is my study. Humor is a great thing.

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30 Jan 2011, 10:59 pm

This post began as a mental exercise and a test of sorts. There were no wrong answers ultimately. However you may find what I say now revealing.

20% - Never was alive just was a concept.

Very literal thinkers in potential. Autism is indeed a concept not a person even though it describes a person.

72% - Different and aware of differences.

You have absorbed this concept as part of who you are and or you easily project this concept into others.

8% - Total Bliss Unaware of Autism.

You seek to rid yourself of this concept on a day to day basis or know someone with autism that is not aware of autism for him or herself. Can be representative of individuals of severe disability.

0% - You do not have autism.

Having autism is subjective. You can know someone with autism and conceptually have autism in your life.


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03 Feb 2011, 11:11 am

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A little too much sun out there in left field? :scratch:


The town where I live "sunny fortuna" has allot of conservative base to it. Up the road and down the road a little are towns known for hippie folk. I'm just a yuppie wanna be watching the baseball game with the cheapest tickets I can get. That means I may be seeing from the left or the right and even the center at times.


:lol: It was in reference to this actually:


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just when i thought the political forum on this website couldnt get more rediculous,im once again proven wrong.i think there giving out to much medical marajuana in your home states



But your description of your environment and outlook sounds a lot like my own. 8)


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