What makes you proud to be an aspie?
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The neurological differences between the average NT and most Aspies is going to be marginal at best. In order to explain social deficits the NTs like to magnify them because we "come across" different in their eyes. Many of us fall for this.
The positive things we search for to make us different may (ironically) be things that we have in common.
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The neurological differences between the average NT and most Aspies is going to be marginal at best. In order to explain social deficits the NTs like to magnify them because we "come across" different in their eyes. Many of us fall for this.
The positive things we search for to make us different may (ironically) be things that we have in common.
The difference between the average NT and aspie brain is probably less than the difference between the average dog and cat brain.
But I'd still say the difference between the NT and aspie brain is profound. It's a matter of what you value more: the pack or your integrity.
A nice illustration of how similar our brains are is the story of Terence Tao.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Tao
Tao is an academic at UCLA Berkeley who was considered a Math genius back in Australia receiving his Masters in Pure Mathematics at the tender age of 16. Tao is considered a prominent genius in both Music and math.
Tao has a brother named Trevor who is also a genius in Math and music. Trevor Tao received a double degree in Math and music.
Two brothers who have so much in common with their brains have one fundamental difference.
Terence Tao was considered a gifted student and is nuerotypical.
Trevor Tao was born with severe autism and is considered an autistic savant because of his genius for music and math
If you remove social deficits there is a remarkable similarity in the two brother's brains.
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but is it even a disability?
because i dont even feel disable. i'm proud of being smart, of the fact that animals like me better than most people, of the fact that i'm special. my niece says it makes me more interesting. i love that faraway look in aspie eyes, and i know i have it. it makes me independent, without the nt's need for constant company, which i see as a weakness.
My sentiments exactly! I couldn't have summed it up better myself!! ! I wouldn't swap being Aspie for anything in the world.
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I'm proud of my ability to hyperfocus on subjects that interest me. There are very few people in the world who can claim to be legitimate "experts" in something, especially something that can be used as a career. I know more about autism than my abnormal psych professor who has a master's degree in psychology, and everything I know about it, I taught myself. I didn't even learn anything about it through said abnormal psych professor, because when that part of the course came up, she let me give the lecture instead. I'm proud of my unique brain wiring that allows me to retain so much information so easily.
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but is it even a disability?
because i dont even feel disable. i'm proud of being smart, of the fact that animals like me better than most people, of the fact that i'm special. my niece says it makes me more interesting. i love that faraway look in aspie eyes, and i know i have it. it makes me independent, without the nt's need for constant company, which i see as a weakness.
Disorder or difference? I am bi-polar on this question
The social stuff I feel is a difference and I am angry that the world sees it as a disorder worse then committing crimes in some cases. If you commit a crime, cheat on your family there is a procedure. Say you are sorry for anybody you hurt, "rehabilitate" yourself, have a number of "setbacks" , overcome those "setbacks", get a book and movie deal and be touted as an inspiration, make a bundle making I overcame it and so can you just be positive speeches. NT's just love that s**t. We make social phopah's, prefer to be alone and dislike small talk we have a "disorder" and are labeled "losers" who will always be that way.
As much as I feel I do not have a "disorder" socially, my executive functioning sure as hell feels like a disability. My living space is most defiantly "disordered" . Without my calendar I would remember maybe 10% of my appointments
Aspergers is so damm complicated.
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Having a disability has given me a unique perspective on the world. I see everything from a slightly different angle, and I am more likely to question the status quo. Being part of a minority group helps me understand a little better what it is like for other minority groups, and to appreciate the importance of supporting human rights. At the same time, the experience of having people make untrue assumptions about me is a warning to me that I need to avoid making assumptions myself, and to remind myself that just because I am autistic does not mean I know everything about every other autistic person, or even about another autistic person with very similar traits.
The fact of having a brain that simply works differently has also been beneficial. Most of my cognitive traits are common to all humans, but there's just enough difference there that I often come up with things that most people wouldn't think of. In a group where diverse ideas are accepted, I can contribute more than most.
Above all, I am proud of being autistic simply because it is part of who I am. I don't always like myself, but I know better than to let people tell me that I am unacceptable. A strong sense of social justice tells me that other people with other disabilities (or without them) are not unacceptable; logically, then, neither am I. To learn to accept and understand myself is part of learning to accept and understand others.
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The fact of having a brain that simply works differently has also been beneficial. Most of my cognitive traits are common to all humans, but there's just enough difference there that I often come up with things that most people wouldn't think of. In a group where diverse ideas are accepted, I can contribute more than most.
Above all, I am proud of being autistic simply because it is part of who I am. I don't always like myself, but I know better than to let people tell me that I am unacceptable. A strong sense of social justice tells me that other people with other disabilities (or without them) are not unacceptable; logically, then, neither am I. To learn to accept and understand myself is part of learning to accept and understand others.
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Keep in mind many of the things you are proud of have nothing to do with autism
Fair number of attribution errors
A huge attribution error is that people think that autistic or aspie pride is about being proud of being autistic or being an aspie in the first place, and not, say, resistance to the notion that there is something wrong or shameful or inferior about being autistic or being an aspie. And you can explain this distinction a hundred times in one thread and the next person will come along and say "I don't see the point of aspie pride" as if you've never posted anything.
Or the thread devolves into homophobia because someone used gay pride as a point of comparison and straight people always have to get their two cents in on what they think about gay people as if we care about their opinions that much.
Once I got my diagnosis, I feel my life suddenly makes sense Moreover, I now have a precise plan to help me work on my deficiencies. I have hope now and believe in myself, and that is a good kind of pride.
Exactly! I haven´t finished learning about my way of functioning yet. 57 years of self perception as an inadequate NT with peculiarities takes some time to clear away. My first reaction to diagnosis was a tremendous relief - and a pleasant blankness inside, - but as my strengths and weaknesses are now emerging from the mist as the qualities, they are, I am beginning to gain self acceptance and ability to make use of whatever talents I have - MY WAY!
I think, I´ll need the aspie-identity for a while, until it feels natural to appreciate myself despite my social shortcomings, my concrete thinking and my heightened anxiety level.
Could it be, that the "misunderstandings" of the (annoying) expression, "Aspie PRIDE" are rooted in experiences as described by JSBachLover and yours truly? They seem to be quite common.
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Being an Aspie is so super!
Visual thinking, Logical, Focused, Independent Thinker, Detail Oriented, Honest, Loyal, Determined, Concentration - hyperfocus.
When I think back to some of the hyperfocus sessions I've experienced, I even impress myself with how focused I can remain for so long.
We can see solutions where neurotypicals can't because we have a different way of thinking. Our brains are wired differently. Not defectively.
We can learn ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING there is to learn about our favourite topics/hobbies. I know TCP/IP inside out and combined with my interest in C/C++ and the ability to hyperfocus, I've written some extremely awesome networking software for Solaris, FreeBSD & Windows.
Animals do seem to love us more than NT's. We seem to be able to connect with them on a different level. Just look at Temple Grandin. Probably because animals are not fake!
We DO have emotions. We're not Vulcans. Close but not quite the same.
We will mix with NT's. Just don't expect too much eye contact -
- but we do need our alone time to recharge.
Heaps more...
I do have Aspie Pride (not arrogance) but a lot of people seem to have a problem with being proud of something that was given to them by nature and not achieved/earned - so, perhaps "pride" isn't the best word. More, "satisfaction" - Aspie Satisfaction. Being happy with the fact that we're different. That we march to the beat of a different drummer. I'm high functioning and I wouldn't give that up for anything in the world. Especially not for becoming a silly super socialite NT.
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Learn the simple joy of being satisfied with little, rather than always wanting more.
Keep in mind many of the things you are proud of have nothing to do with autism
Fair number of attribution errors
A huge attribution error is that people think that autistic or aspie pride is about being proud of being autistic or being an aspie in the first place, and not, say, resistance to the notion that there is something wrong or shameful or inferior about being autistic or being an aspie. And you can explain this distinction a hundred times in one thread and the next person will come along and say "I don't see the point of aspie pride" as if you've never posted anything.
Or the thread devolves into homophobia because someone used gay pride as a point of comparison and straight people always have to get their two cents in on what they think about gay people as if we care about their opinions that much.
I believe WP people can develop a sense of individual consciousness of who they are as individuals first before putting their hand up to wear a label for the benefit of the NT community. The former is a form of self-awareness, the latter is more self-consciousness (ironically many researchers believe people on the spectrum have no sense self-consciousness).
