Aspie eliticism and "Cure NT's"

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Good. Stop going on about how every autistic person on the planet is unworthy of life according to your ridiculously shaky understanding of evolution, and start focusing on making things better.

I don't think I said that every autistic person was unworthy of life; if I said something that sounded or could of got interpreted like that; I truly apologize. However I do think that autistics as a general group are kind of at a disadvantage in life sense this is an NT world. Instead of blaming NTs for our problems or trying to change society & the world to better adapt to us; we should accept the way the world is & ask ourselves what we can do to adapt to it. In the case of having kids; we should ask ourselves if it we were to pass on our potential Aspie issues & other problems on to kids; could they be at a major disadvantage in life & if we think they could be; it would be best not to have em.

It's just the logical conclusion of very nearly everything you've said. If autistic people are a burden on the world, then killing all the autistic people is a good thing. If autistic people are not a burden on the world, your philosophy falls apart entirely.



Doesn't make a difference. The British were outnumbered hundreds of thousands to one in India, and far from just being equal, they ran the show. Population densities don't make a difference, what makes a difference is the distribution of power, which can and will change over time. Personally, I like power, so I intend to effect that change.



If the NTs are actually at fault, then yes, they should be blamed. That's the point of blaming things. Also: Changing the world to better suit you is what humans do. To see a problem with your world and not try to fix it is to embrace sub-humanity and squander your potential.



Amazing focus, an alien body language that can easily be translated into intimidation, and a natural bias towards logic and efficiency over emotion? It's widely believed that Mozart, Einstein, and Tesla were all somewhere on the spectrum. You seriously think the world would be better off without them?

And concerning your evolution argument: The number of species in the world is not trending towards one. There is not a single species which, by virtue of being fitter than all the others, will inevitably exterminate everything else and become the only thing left on the planet. A healthy ecosystem requires far more than one organism to survive, and many a species has succeeded simply by carving itself a new niche in the ecosystem instead of trying to displace one of the existing species from their niche. You do know what symbiotes are, right? Or even parasites? Because as far as evolution is concerned, if you can feed yourself off of other people's labor and get away with it, that's a good thing.

That is totally right . Were would this world be today without autistic people Like Einstein ? Einstein gave the world nuclear power and just recently nuclear power without radiation has been invented. What a blessing it is to have an infinite supply of affordable and clean green energy and have the problem of global warming solved forever. Yet even today we have stupid nuerotypical people that love to bash Einstein and these stupid people are literally destroying the planet. Sorry NT,s but for your information the Sun is not a lump of burning coal but rather a nuclear fusion reactor.

Chamomile, you appear to have just encouraged a depressed person to kill himself over the internet, which is surely, as they say, 'illegal in several states'. I also "genuinely believe the world is better off without" me (well, a little), but as a believer in karma, I suspect that my only certain route to hell is via suicide, so I've never tried it. In evolutionary terms fyi, more than three quarters/fourths of adults are automatically unworthy of life, as that is the proportion of individual animals who die before reaching sexual maturity in the wild. So maybe the Einsteins among us auties are worthy of life, but for auties like me whose passion is for means of communication such as the Arts&Humanities, with their high perceptual& social requirements, no way! However, as a believer in karma again, I also suspect that if our societies were to prevent auties from being born, they would just have to be born on other planets instead unless the karma that caused them to be born had run out, so I'm not so worried about whether we have kids.

Humans are only capable of changing the world to better suit themselves as a powerful group and not as individuals. They also cannot be blamed for their actions as they are determined by subconscious feelings that are outside their control, such as extreme irritation at the behaviour of autists. How you are to effect a change in favour of your own power is beyond me - Power over other humans, it's well known, can only be gained through the effective use of body language, which is something that must constantly be rapidly manipulated by its user, FROM MILLISECOND TO MILLISECOND AND UP TO 24/7 - Can any of us really do that??

As I said, autistic successes - if there really are any - should live, but in this day and age, society surely can't afford the rest of us, and we can expect and welcome our extermination as soon as NTs learn to neutralise their empathy to ensure their economic survival.

Parasites are always likely to get wiped out by the organisms they are parasitic upon - Think of how hippopotamuses use those little birds to pick ticks off their backs. Anyway, humans ARE 'inevitably exterminating everything else'. I've never heard of an autist managing to use alien body language to make gains through intimidation; I'm not even aware of us HAVING alien body language - In my experience, our feelings tend to seep out in the same way as every1 else's. Btw, I have a natural bias towards emotion (usually self-destructive) over logic and efficiency, although when I do think, it's usually logical.

Finally, I don't see it as a problem with my world if autistic ppl aren't accepted - It's the existence of autistic ppl that is a problem FOR the world, whatever the solutions. Since I never asked to be autistic, it's not a problem I've ever truly felt like solving myself, but solve it we all must, if we're to avoid the scenario I've laid out. We won't help solve it by claiming any kind of superiority.

I know my post in this thread sound depressing but I am NOT depressed. I've been in a much better mood the last few months after talking about issues here on WP. This site is a GREAT help

The immediate execution of the entire autistic population of the planet to stop them from being a burden on others is the logical conclusion of his philosophy, and it is explicitly because I find such a conclusion so abhorrent that I've posted a response to it.



You're wrong.



Incorrect. Unless those animals had a specific trait that prevented them from surviving to reach maturity, then they are just as fit to live as the survivors. Their species has chosen attrition as a survival tactic, and thus many perfectly fit individuals will be lost to fate.



When I woke up this morning, there was silence. I prefer to be listening to music as constantly as possible, so I loaded up Pandora and started playing one of my stations. The world, my physical environment in terms of sound waves, has been altered to suit my needs. Now scale up to whatever size is necessary.



If they are not capable of controlling their instincts then I will use those instincts to control them. And while I'm at it, I may as well make a meat-packing industry out of them, since apparently they have no more intelligence or free will than a cow, and are just putting on an incredibly good show of it. Oddly enough, I find this to be unlikely, and I am quite certain that they can control their actions even in spite of their emotions. I certainly can.



This made me laugh. You're wrong. I exert power over humans all the time (less so recently, which has been bothering me, but it's happened in the past and it's not like I was any less strange back then), mostly NTs, and in fact their incapability to read my body language is very frequently a huge asset.



Firstly, yes, they can. There has never been a more powerful or prosperous civilization on Earth than modern western civilization, and our capability to do more with less is only increasing. That is what technology is. Secondly, even if the "rest of us" really are the drain on society you're so convinced we are (assuming you put me in that category at all, and I haven't revolutionized any fields of study so I assume you do), we're still worth keeping around because one breakthrough on the scale of General Relativity is worth an immense amount of resources. To say nothing of the legions of people on the spectrum who hold important positions in institutions like NASA. Exactly how many isn't known, but they're definitely known to exist. Bugger, even in terms of humanities, Randall Munroe's webcomic [url=xkcd.com]XKCD[/url] is said to be basically distilled Asperger's, and is considered one of the best comics on the internet. Not to mention he's had a long and successful scientific career.



And yet, ticks have not gone extinct and are not moving in that direction. They are still evolutionarily fit to survive as a species, and the failures of individual ticks does not change that.



And we're going to die if we keep doing it.



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This is because you do not think of it as being your world, but rather a world that automatically belongs only to the majority. If they are entitled to their piece of the world, then so too am I entitled to mine. If I am not entitled to any piece of the world by virtue of being born in it, then neither are they.

Okay let us look at some of the autistic inventions that drive neurotypical people crazy.

1. The Humanoid Robot. An essential invention that can handle the dangerous radiation levels produced by nuclear power industry especially in these days of Japanese nuclear meltdowns and disasters. Yet neurotypical people oppose this invention because it is too complicated (requires an autistic genius like Leonardo Divinci to design it) and too costly (its cheaper to hire a Japanese Kamakazi suicide worker to clean up a nuclear melt down).

2. The Atomic Rocket. A rocket that is powered by the explosions of thousands of atomic bombs is an essential defense against the threat of large asteroids that if allowed to impact Earth could kill millions if not billions of people. Yet neurotypical people think that asteroid and comet impacts are acts of God that people can do nothing about and are offended by autistic geniuses who claim that they have God like powers like the ability to divert asteroids.

Again Einstein himself said geniuses always face violent opposition from mediocre minds. And what could be more opposition than calling an autistic genius mentally ill and a waste of breathing space.

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I noticed that there's still the whole mentally that "were better than NT"s because were smarter than them" on this post.

Of course autistic people are smarter than neurotypical people. That is why autistic people are discriminated against. It is called envy. Neurotypical people bash the space program and call it a waste of money. Never mind the fact that there is an asteroid headed towards Earth that will cause millions of people to die. A neurotypical person will always come up with a stupid excuse as to why we should do nothing. " I trust God so I do not worry about comets and asteroids" says the neurotypical. What the nuerotypical really trusts in is his private reserve of money that he would have to give up to develop the atomic rocket technology necessary to divert the asteroid. Or the NT says " Are you God thinking that you have the power to stop an asteroid from hitting Earth?" I never said that I was God. All I am doing is calling fire from heaven and using the nuclear option to take care of the asteroid.

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Neurodiversity goes both ways. Unless one type is clearly outperforming the other in their own niche, the species is stronger with both types. And I'm pretty sure the percentage of autistic people not concerned about the asteroid is pretty similar to the percentage of neurotypicals not concerned about the asteroid. I, for one, am not concerned with the asteroid because humanity is really good at blowing things up and rocks aren't known for their cunning.

I think you've focused in on a very small section of elitism in general, you could have written NT elitism and cure Autism but people are naturally elitists, look at the USA (no offence it's just an easy example) they say "God Bless America" not God bless everyone in the world, or God bless the universe, only America. Look at people saying ooh God made us in his image and put all these plants and trees and animals here for us to use, that is their purpose to please us. There are never ending examples of people thinking they're better than everyone/everything else and that other people should be more like them. As for an AS point of view they have more right than most because having to put up with so many derogatory terms like "Syndrome" and "Condition" and "Disorder" and people talking about curing them which to many AS sounds very extreme and offensive an extreme response (Cure NTs) is provoked.

But we are still sitting ducks if an asteroid hits Earth. Yes we have the nukes to blow up or deflect the asteroid but we have no way to deliver the nukes to the asteroid. To deliver the nukes we need to have a rocket powered by thousands of atomic explosions already built and on standby . If we wait until we discover the asteroid it will be too late because we will not have enough time to test and build the atomic rocket.
Yet neurotypical people who are politically in charge are in denial and simply not smart enough to come up with any solution to the problem. The NT's will simply dismiss any real solution as insane because they cannot understand it and does not fit into their "no nukes" agenda and therefore allow the asteroid to hit Earth and kill a billion people. The NT's will not even allow a movie to be made about the subject. On the movie "Deep Impact" and "2001" feeble chemical boosters were substituted for the atomic drives.

As NT's bash the autistic people and claim that every autistic person should be locked up in a psychiatric hospital or put on disability or given the most menial jobs, whenever a genius like Einstein is born the NT's cry equality. Einstein they say must be some kind of racist if he thinks that he is smarter than a neurotypical. So we have a double standard. It is okay to be dumber than a neurotypical but not the other way around.

How you go from asperger's to asteroid impacts to stupid NT's are logical leaps that surpass even my fantastically out of the box non-linearity.