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Are you insulted by anti-vaccine rhetoric?
Yes, who I am is not a mistake 67%  67%  [ 34 ]
Yes, who my child/loved one is is not a mistake 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
No, I believe vaccines caused my autism 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
No, I believe vaccines caused my child/loved ones autism 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Unsure/Other/No opinion 25%  25%  [ 13 ]
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13 Apr 2011, 9:56 pm

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"I think it is interesting your dad feels vaccinations caused your autism. I think parents know more then we may think. LIsten to him instead of feeling like he is attacking who you are. We are ALL who we are because of circumstances in our lives. PHysical or otherwise. That doesnt change us or make us any less then we are."

I take it you are the parent of an autistic individual, and so you are identifying with him a bit. There is a huge difference between telling your child that you believe his or her symptoms were caused by a vaccine and making explicit comments such as "My child's life has been ruined" and "God must really hate me because my child is having all of these problems." And you say I am not supposed to feel offended by his comments? I am supposed to "listen to him" because he "knows more than (I) may think"?!?! I hope you don't say things like this to your family member that is on the spectrum!

"Who cares if your personality rests on a shot being given?"

Obviously lots of people, otherwise this debate would not bring up such strong emotions. As you can see from my comments, some families tend to act as though there is something terribly wrong with a "personality" that has been caused by a shot, and seeing people argue so strongly against vaccines gives the impression that we are mistakes that must not be made again. That is a horrible idea to plant in a child's mind.

Also, for the record, I do not stick my fingers in my ears and say "LALALALA", nor do I think that I am better or smarter than other people.


My son, who is not vaccinated, is on the spectrum, and my husband, who was. Here is I guess where our opinions differ. Austim is problem. I guess I dont know how else to say it. I have read these boards. You ALL struggle or have struggled. Any normal thinking human being would not want their child to have difficulties. My husband struggles at work. My son struggles with everything. I dont want to see my son have melt downs over seat belts or socks. My son wears glasses and has albanism in his eyes which makes him light sensitive as it is. His prescription is horrible, he may not drive because of it. He wont wear his glasses because of his sensory problems. SOme days he will, if he is having a good day, but most days he wont because they bother his face and has a melt down if I force it. So he would rather not see then have something on his face. Im sorry, but that is heart breaking. Autism is sad. It is heart breaking. I break for all of you who beat yourselves up, think your ugly, stupid, weird, awkward, unloveable, ect. Ive read it all here. It is who you are, it is to be accepted, embraced even, but it isnt something to pretend we WANT. Maybe if you were NT, you would understand what it is like to think NT and realize what a handicap it is to be on the spectrum. My husband thinks I am the smartest person he has ever met. I laugh at him, because even as far as ANYONE goes, I am not smart. But I do have common sense, something he lacks. He wishes he had it. It is a handicap. Im sorry if this is offensive, but your father loves you and wants you to be how he imagined. I am sorry my son struggles. He is 4, I dont tell him that. Even at 20 I wouldnt tell him that. But men are different and some people may be imcompassionate. But what your father says is true in my eyes.



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13 Apr 2011, 10:13 pm

twinsmummy20 wrote:
kat_ross wrote:
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"I think it is interesting your dad feels vaccinations caused your autism. I think parents know more then we may think. LIsten to him instead of feeling like he is attacking who you are. We are ALL who we are because of circumstances in our lives. PHysical or otherwise. That doesnt change us or make us any less then we are."

I take it you are the parent of an autistic individual, and so you are identifying with him a bit. There is a huge difference between telling your child that you believe his or her symptoms were caused by a vaccine and making explicit comments such as "My child's life has been ruined" and "God must really hate me because my child is having all of these problems." And you say I am not supposed to feel offended by his comments? I am supposed to "listen to him" because he "knows more than (I) may think"?!?! I hope you don't say things like this to your family member that is on the spectrum!

"Who cares if your personality rests on a shot being given?"

Obviously lots of people, otherwise this debate would not bring up such strong emotions. As you can see from my comments, some families tend to act as though there is something terribly wrong with a "personality" that has been caused by a shot, and seeing people argue so strongly against vaccines gives the impression that we are mistakes that must not be made again. That is a horrible idea to plant in a child's mind.

Also, for the record, I do not stick my fingers in my ears and say "LALALALA", nor do I think that I am better or smarter than other people.


My son, who is not vaccinated, is on the spectrum, and my husband, who was. Here is I guess where our opinions differ. Austim is problem. I guess I dont know how else to say it. I have read these boards. You ALL struggle or have struggled. Any normal thinking human being would not want their child to have difficulties. My husband struggles at work. My son struggles with everything. I dont want to see my son have melt downs over seat belts or socks. My son wears glasses and has albanism in his eyes which makes him light sensitive as it is. His prescription is horrible, he may not drive because of it. He wont wear his glasses because of his sensory problems. SOme days he will, if he is having a good day, but most days he wont because they bother his face and has a melt down if I force it. So he would rather not see then have something on his face. Im sorry, but that is heart breaking. Autism is sad. It is heart breaking. I break for all of you who beat yourselves up, think your ugly, stupid, weird, awkward, unloveable, ect. Ive read it all here. It is who you are, it is to be accepted, embraced even, but it isnt something to pretend we WANT. Maybe if you were NT, you would understand what it is like to think NT and realize what a handicap it is to be on the spectrum. My husband thinks I am the smartest person he has ever met. I laugh at him, because even as far as ANYONE goes, I am not smart. But I do have common sense, something he lacks. He wishes he had it. It is a handicap. Im sorry if this is offensive, but your father loves you and wants you to be how he imagined. I am sorry my son struggles. He is 4, I dont tell him that. Even at 20 I wouldnt tell him that. But men are different and some people may be imcompassionate. But what your father says is true in my eyes.


The problem here is that you think Autism is a problem that needs to be fixed. Most people here, myself included don't. My son is autistic, my daughter might be aspergers, I am aspie/HFA. I wouldn't change anything about myself or my children. We are perfect how we are. I would love to change some aspects of society to be more inclusive of us though. :D


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13 Apr 2011, 10:18 pm

Solvejg wrote:
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kat_ross wrote:
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"I think it is interesting your dad feels vaccinations caused your autism. I think parents know more then we may think. LIsten to him instead of feeling like he is attacking who you are. We are ALL who we are because of circumstances in our lives. PHysical or otherwise. That doesnt change us or make us any less then we are."

I take it you are the parent of an autistic individual, and so you are identifying with him a bit. There is a huge difference between telling your child that you believe his or her symptoms were caused by a vaccine and making explicit comments such as "My child's life has been ruined" and "God must really hate me because my child is having all of these problems." And you say I am not supposed to feel offended by his comments? I am supposed to "listen to him" because he "knows more than (I) may think"?!?! I hope you don't say things like this to your family member that is on the spectrum!

"Who cares if your personality rests on a shot being given?"

Obviously lots of people, otherwise this debate would not bring up such strong emotions. As you can see from my comments, some families tend to act as though there is something terribly wrong with a "personality" that has been caused by a shot, and seeing people argue so strongly against vaccines gives the impression that we are mistakes that must not be made again. That is a horrible idea to plant in a child's mind.

Also, for the record, I do not stick my fingers in my ears and say "LALALALA", nor do I think that I am better or smarter than other people.


My son, who is not vaccinated, is on the spectrum, and my husband, who was. Here is I guess where our opinions differ. Austim is problem. I guess I dont know how else to say it. I have read these boards. You ALL struggle or have struggled. Any normal thinking human being would not want their child to have difficulties. My husband struggles at work. My son struggles with everything. I dont want to see my son have melt downs over seat belts or socks. My son wears glasses and has albanism in his eyes which makes him light sensitive as it is. His prescription is horrible, he may not drive because of it. He wont wear his glasses because of his sensory problems. SOme days he will, if he is having a good day, but most days he wont because they bother his face and has a melt down if I force it. So he would rather not see then have something on his face. Im sorry, but that is heart breaking. Autism is sad. It is heart breaking. I break for all of you who beat yourselves up, think your ugly, stupid, weird, awkward, unloveable, ect. Ive read it all here. It is who you are, it is to be accepted, embraced even, but it isnt something to pretend we WANT. Maybe if you were NT, you would understand what it is like to think NT and realize what a handicap it is to be on the spectrum. My husband thinks I am the smartest person he has ever met. I laugh at him, because even as far as ANYONE goes, I am not smart. But I do have common sense, something he lacks. He wishes he had it. It is a handicap. Im sorry if this is offensive, but your father loves you and wants you to be how he imagined. I am sorry my son struggles. He is 4, I dont tell him that. Even at 20 I wouldnt tell him that. But men are different and some people may be imcompassionate. But what your father says is true in my eyes.


The problem here is that you think Autism is a problem that needs to be fixed. Most people here, myself included don't. My son is autistic, my daughter might be aspergers, I am aspie/HFA. I wouldn't change anything about myself or my children. We are perfect how we are. I would love to change some aspects of society to be more inclusive of us though. :D




I dont think I totally disagree. It is a problem, but I love my kids and husband no matter how they are. I would love to see them have an easier time in life.



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13 Apr 2011, 11:11 pm

Of course I struggle tremendously and wish I didn't have so many problems to deal with. And I totally understand why a parent would be sad to see their child struggle. But I guess my main thing is that I hope parents try not to express feelings of hopelessness, anger towards the "higher powers", or feelings of their heart being broken IN FRONT OF their children, because it doesn't help anything, it just makes the child feel worse about him or herself. I am not saying that you do this, twinsmummy20, in fact it sounds like you do not. But I think that's why I reacted so strongly to your response. I see why autism is considered to be a problem, and most of the time it DOES cause problems for me (although it has helped me to excel in other areas, such as academics). I don't need to be NT to see why it is a handicap in some situations. But I can't help the way I was born and I can't go back and change the way I turned out, so it is depressing when I see people around me who are heartbroken to find out their child is going to be like me.

I hope your son is able to find some sort of solution for his vision problems, perhaps contacts when he is older, and hats to shield the sun? That is unfortunate that glasses make him uncomfortable.



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13 Apr 2011, 11:26 pm

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Of course I struggle tremendously and wish I didn't have so many problems to deal with. And I totally understand why a parent would be sad to see their child struggle. But I guess my main thing is that I hope parents try not to express feelings of hopelessness, anger towards the "higher powers", or feelings of their heart being broken IN FRONT OF their children, because it doesn't help anything, it just makes the child feel worse about him or herself. I am not saying that you do this, twinsmummy20, in fact it sounds like you do not. But I think that's why I reacted so strongly to your response. I see why autism is considered to be a problem, and most of the time it DOES cause problems for me (although it has helped me to excel in other areas, such as academics). I don't need to be NT to see why it is a handicap in some situations. But I can't help the way I was born and I can't go back and change the way I turned out, so it is depressing when I see people around me who are heartbroken to find out their child is going to be like me.

I hope your son is able to find some sort of solution for his vision problems, perhaps contacts when he is older, and hats to shield the sun? That is unfortunate that glasses make him uncomfortable.


I would never express to my son that I am sad for him. He is my sunshine and so bright and smart and HILLARIOUS. He keeps me smiling. I just can see why your father might, it sounds like he honestly blames himself. He feels at least partly responsible for causing it, regardless if he did or didnt.

My son has something called occular albanism, which is basically albino in the eyes. No color pigment which makes him light sensitive, poor vision and nystagmus which makes his eyes shift or shake back and forth. I am not sure he can wear contacts because his vision is so bad, he has coke bottles. I know he has a hard time seeing, but his want to see better is over ruled by his sensory issues. He got glasses when he was 1 and I thought his poor vision caused his behavioral problems, but they told me no, that wouldnt cause it. That is when i started seeking more answers and was told pervasive developmental delay, but didnt go for a full workup to find out exactly what he falls under.



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14 Apr 2011, 12:26 am

I don't blame him for not wanting to wear his glasses. I have just normal nearsightedness, 20/200 vision, and when I'm overloaded from bright light I know that it doesn't affect me as much when I take my glasses off. Oddly enough, while this blurs my vision, it also increases the amount of useful information I get from my eyes. By decreasing sensory overload, I can do more with what I see. Obviously, though, a better solution is simply to wear sunglasses that wrap around my normal glasses (not clip-ons; those let light in around the edges). This removes some of the overwhelming light without also creating blurred vision, and works better than taking off my glasses. I assume your son already has one or more pairs of sunglasses, of course.

Okay... so you are saying you want your family to be happy. But then you seem to jump straight to the assumption that they would be happier if they were not autistic. Why is this? Everybody has problems; non-autistic people have problems, too. There are many things that solve problems that autistic people encounter without ever touching the autism itself. For example, an autistic child is bullied at school--remove the bullying, not the autism. Or, an autistic employee cannot work efficiently because the fluorescent lights above his desk give him headaches--well, remove the fluorescent lighting; no need to remove the autism. There is, in fact, nothing any more intrinsically negative about the experience of being autistic than there is about the experience of being non-autistic.

Autism cannot be cured. I've done a lot of research, including studying neurology and doing some work in a gene therapy lab, and as far as I can tell, we will not ever be able to remove autism without also removing everything a person has ever learned, everything they remember, every relationship they have. Autism is at least partly in the connections of the brain; and those are the same connections that make us who we are. Curing autism is not feasible; focusing on a cure is not useful.

When you focus on autism as the source of the problem and believe that to solve the problem, one must remove the autism, you deny yourself the use of other solutions. Adjustments can be made; work-arounds can be learned; society can be educated. Autistic children can grow up to be happy, mature, competent autistic adults.


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Autism cannot be cured. I've done a lot of research, including studying neurology and doing some work in a gene therapy lab, and as far as I can tell, we will not ever be able to remove autism without also removing everything a person has ever learned, everything they remember, every relationship they have. Autism is at least partly in the connections of the brain; and those are the same connections that make us who we are. Curing autism is not feasible; focusing on a cure is not useful.

When you focus on autism as the source of the problem and believe that to solve the problem, one must remove the autism, you deny yourself the use of other solutions. Adjustments can be made; work-arounds can be learned; society can be educated. Autistic children can grow up to be happy, mature, competent autistic adults.


Autism is not a disease or a plague that must be eradicated as soon as possible. I feel that autism is a gift, and while there are significant difficulties, the autistic brain is an ocean of human genius, whether artistic or technical. Society needs to be educated that autistic individuals deserve the same respect as anyone else.


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I don't blame him for not wanting to wear his glasses. I have just normal nearsightedness, 20/200 vision, and when I'm overloaded from bright light I know that it doesn't affect me as much when I take my glasses off. Oddly enough, while this blurs my vision, it also increases the amount of useful information I get from my eyes. By decreasing sensory overload, I can do more with what I see. Obviously, though, a better solution is simply to wear sunglasses that wrap around my normal glasses (not clip-ons; those let light in around the edges). This removes some of the overwhelming light without also creating blurred vision, and works better than taking off my glasses. I assume your son already has one or more pairs of sunglasses, of course.

Okay... so you are saying you want your family to be happy. But then you seem to jump straight to the assumption that they would be happier if they were not autistic. Why is this? Everybody has problems; non-autistic people have problems, too. There are many things that solve problems that autistic people encounter without ever touching the autism itself. For example, an autistic child is bullied at school--remove the bullying, not the autism. Or, an autistic employee cannot work efficiently because the fluorescent lights above his desk give him headaches--well, remove the fluorescent lighting; no need to remove the autism. There is, in fact, nothing any more intrinsically negative about the experience of being autistic than there is about the experience of being non-autistic.

Autism cannot be cured. I've done a lot of research, including studying neurology and doing some work in a gene therapy lab, and as far as I can tell, we will not ever be able to remove autism without also removing everything a person has ever learned, everything they remember, every relationship they have. Autism is at least partly in the connections of the brain; and those are the same connections that make us who we are. Curing autism is not feasible; focusing on a cure is not useful.

When you focus on autism as the source of the problem and believe that to solve the problem, one must remove the autism, you deny yourself the use of other solutions. Adjustments can be made; work-arounds can be learned; society can be educated. Autistic children can grow up to be happy, mature, competent autistic adults.


Your right, NTs have problems as well. Autistics have those problems on top of the problems they have (Autistics and Nts have relationship problems, so add being autistic on top of it all, that seems like overload). I am concerned with the way most of you view having autism, as if it is not a disadvantage. Yes, I am sure if has it perks, you may be smart but it effects daily life.



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14 Apr 2011, 1:18 am

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I feel all of you stick your fingers in your ears and scream "I AM AUTISTIC BECAUSE I AM COOLER THEN YOU AND SMARTER THEN YOU AND KNOW MORE THEN YOU SO THERE!! !"

Thats how I feel. So there :)


It might be the way you feel but it's not what people in here are saying. I find it ironic that you talk about sticking fingers in ears...


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I feel all of you stick your fingers in your ears and scream "I AM AUTISTIC BECAUSE I AM COOLER THEN YOU AND SMARTER THEN YOU AND KNOW MORE THEN YOU SO THERE!! !"

Thats how I feel. So there :)


It might be the way you feel but it's not what people in here are saying. I find it ironic that you talk about sticking fingers in ears...


I am not speaking specifically about this thread. I am on my laptop and have issues typing on this dumb thing let alone going to find quotes, but I could dig up MANY topics that have people IN CONTEXT saying autistics are better then NTs. Ive read it multiple times here. From many people.

I have said repeatedly through this that I do not believe vaccinations are the sole source, and may only bring out some symptoms in a child who already has it, I dont know, if I did I would be rich. But I do think there are people who have seen children change after vaccinations. I do not believe injecting an infant with fermeldahyde, aluminum, rat poisoning and whatever else is safe and has no effects. No one will convince me that it has no effects. Its not natural to have that put into you, so it has to have effects. Some people are more sensitive then others. I would rather not find out where my childrens sensitivities lie.



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14 Apr 2011, 1:41 am

Yes, autism causes problems. Yes, it is a disability.

But there are more important things than not being disabled. Being yourself is one of them.

I like who I am, autism and all. That doesn't change when I'm overloaded by something and it doesn't change when I fall in love with a new special interest and it doesn't change when I accidentally offend somebody. Life is good and bad and everything in between; but this is my life, my autism, and I like it the way it is. Might it be easier to be NT? Possibly. But the NT that was living my life wouldn't be me.

You don't hate being NT because you can't relax just by turning a shiny pebble over and over in your hands. I don't hate being autistic just because I can't read between the lines in a conversation. There is no reason to pity us, nor to think of us as "inspirational" for living what is, for us, our normal lives. I would much rather you campaigned for acceptance and integration. We want to be treated like human beings, be allowed to pursue our goals, get a good education and be hired for the jobs that let us use our skills. We want to be a part of the world--equals.

If all the energy spent on trying to snuff out autism were spent on learning to make the ever-so-slight changes that would let us find our niche in the world, then we wouldn't need to overreact to prejudice by claiming superiority. Yeah, some autistics do that. Lots of people who are part of a group against which prejudice is leveled will do that. Black people declare themselves superior to whites; gay people superior to straight people. They do it mostly because they haven't quite gotten the idea that two groups can exist as equals, because all their lives, they've been taught that one group is better than another--nondisabled people are better than disabled, NT better than autistic--and the only way they can think of to declare that they are not worthless is to switch the order of importance. But we can change that. We can teach the world that autistic people are every bit as important as non-autistic people, have all the same rights, and should be seen as equals and not objects of pity.


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14 Apr 2011, 1:48 am

Vaccines do not cause autism. Autism is genetic. However mercury in vaccines do cause mecury poisioning which is also called mad hatters diesease which has some similar symptoms to autism plus makes you very physically sick. Therefore mercury in vaccines should be banned. Not everyone who receives a mecury shot will get mad hatters diesease but some will. The whole debate over whether vaccines cause autism is rediculous. It doesnt matter because having mercury injected into you cannot be good for you no matter what it causes.



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Yes, autism causes problems. Yes, it is a disability.

But there are more important things than not being disabled. Being yourself is one of them.

I like who I am, autism and all. That doesn't change when I'm overloaded by something and it doesn't change when I fall in love with a new special interest and it doesn't change when I accidentally offend somebody. Life is good and bad and everything in between; but this is my life, my autism, and I like it the way it is. Might it be easier to be NT? Possibly. But the NT that was living my life wouldn't be me.

You don't hate being NT because you can't relax just by turning a shiny pebble over and over in your hands. I don't hate being autistic just because I can't read between the lines in a conversation. There is no reason to pity us, nor to think of us as "inspirational" for living what is, for us, our normal lives. I would much rather you campaigned for acceptance and integration. We want to be treated like human beings, be allowed to pursue our goals, get a good education and be hired for the jobs that let us use our skills. We want to be a part of the world--equals.

If all the energy spent on trying to snuff out autism were spent on learning to make the ever-so-slight changes that would let us find our niche in the world, then we wouldn't need to overreact to prejudice by claiming superiority. Yeah, some autistics do that. Lots of people who are part of a group against which prejudice is leveled will do that. Black people declare themselves superior to whites; gay people superior to straight people. They do it mostly because they haven't quite gotten the idea that two groups can exist as equals, because all their lives, they've been taught that one group is better than another--nondisabled people are better than disabled, NT better than autistic--and the only way they can think of to declare that they are not worthless is to switch the order of importance. But we can change that. We can teach the world that autistic people are every bit as important as non-autistic people, have all the same rights, and should be seen as equals and not objects of pity.


I dont think I am better then an autistic. Most of you are whip smart, and I am greatly intimidated when I type on here because I typo often and spell big words wrong lol. I know how my husband is a spelling grammar police officer so I can only imagine its like having 1000 of him on here. You all are more intellegent then I am, I am sure.



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Vaccines do not cause autism. Autism is genetic. However mercury in vaccines do cause mecury poisioning which is also called mad hatters diesease which has some similar symptoms to autism plus makes you very physically sick. Therefore mercury in vaccines should be banned. Not everyone who receives a mecury shot will get mad hatters diesease but some will. The whole debate over whether vaccines cause autism is rediculous. It doesnt matter because having mercury injected into you cannot be good for you no matter what it causes.

Carl, the amount of mercury in vaccines is much, much smaller than the amount that you would need to be exposed to for mercury poisoning to be a problem. In fact, there's more mercury in a tuna sandwich. Plus, the MMR vaccine doesn't even have thimerosal in it... and the mercury that causes the mercury toxicity you're talking about is in a totally different compound from the type they use as a preservative in some (not all, not even most) vaccines.

Ever heard the saying, "The dose makes the poison"? Your body is literally designed to deal with toxins every day. We ingest toxins in the air, in the water, on the plants we eat. Even if we were to travel back in time ten thousand years to before industrialization and food additives, we would still end up regularly exposed to things that, in larger amounts, would be poisonous. Just about any substance you ingest is, at a certain dosage, poisonous. Salt can kill you. Too much water can kill you. Some vitamins can kill you; others will just make you sick. Even organic vegetables are adapted to generate their own natural pesticides. Everything, at a high enough dose, is a poison. Conversely, everything, at a low enough dose, is safe. Granted, for extremely toxic things, that dose is very low indeed, possibly too low to determine; but when it comes to vaccines, they've been tested like crazy and the dose is way below the safe level. It's the difference between taking an iron supplement and taking a whole bottle full of iron supplement. The first is harmless and possibly helpful; the second could kill you.

Go to the library. Check out a book on toxicology. Read it. It's important.


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14 Apr 2011, 2:02 am

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I am not speaking specifically about this thread. I am on my laptop and have issues typing on this dumb thing let alone going to find quotes, but I could dig up MANY topics that have people IN CONTEXT saying autistics are better then NTs. Ive read it multiple times here. From many people.


I agree and find such posts ignorant and incorrect. I do what I can to discourage it but my possibilities are limited.

For me it's not about your stance per se, you're entitled to it - I prefer to take into consideration and respect all opinions even when I disagree. See my signature :)

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I am concerned with the way most of you view having autism, as if it is not a disadvantage. Yes, I am sure if has it perks, you may be smart but it effects daily life.

This is a good example of something that will be met with hostility. I'm not proud of my Autism or ashamed of it. By "NT" standards I'm highly successful and I don't have a disadvantage in the way you describe. Self acceptance, a solid knowledge of strengths and weaknesses and the willingness to discover and learn coping mechanisms helped me build a good life, if unconventional. I see plenty of people around me (regardless of neurology) ridden by prejudice, ignorance and the desire for quick gratification or "keeping up with the Jones" and I think they have a disadvantage, although I keep this thought to myself.

These things are relative and highly subjective in more than one way. I know many see my unconventional lifestyle as eccentric or worse, but that makes no difference since I and my loved ones are happy with it.


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14 Apr 2011, 2:26 am

I've always wondered about thimerosal toxicity, and even though in vaccines it doesn't cause toxicity, I'd feel much better if it wasn't in the vaccine or drug. Looks like there haven't been a lot of studies on thimerosal toxicity and I wonder if it's toxicity is similar to elemental mercury toxicity.


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