how can someone be proud of having aspergers?

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09 Jun 2011, 6:28 am

Sometimes i get the idea that people laugh with me in the road.OK i understand someone that may know me and know that i am different but i don't know hy those on the road,it's not like i look like a freak or have funny hair.



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09 Jun 2011, 8:53 pm

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Having Aspergers is just a different way to be, and a different way to experience the world, a very wonderful and beautiful way to experience the world in my opinion, and a rare experience too. Most people with AS could consider themselves lucky. They are mostly above average intelligence, and almost all of them have some special talent or ability. Aspieness comes with its own unique sets of problems, but no more or fewer problems than most NTs have, just unique ones.


This is a blatent lie, aspies see the world in confusion and if not in a sound quiet place to go to after entering the real world, serious stress occurs, i think i can speak for all aspies on this part, tell me an aspie who like to go to the club or busy streets with no one to meet or talk with who likes all the noise and sensory input from all angles and direction non stop.

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You can't speak for all Aspies, so please don't.

Neither does ChinaCatSunflower, for that matter. Everyone's different.

Why does it matter to you whether other autistic people relate to their autism the same way you do?


If aspergers dosent make you depressed, you dont really have severe aspergers then, your not affected by it, you should go live your life and socialize,



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09 Jun 2011, 10:04 pm

I'm just proud of having Asperger's for one reason, no matter how much damage I have received because of it. I'm proud to have a group of people I can go to and relate to. If I don't have that, I feel alone, disconnected, lonely. Asperger's gives me a sense of belonging, and no matter how much I suffer from it, why should I be hateful of having somewhere to go? Without Asperger's, I'd have nowhere to go, nowhere at all. It's either me with Asperger's or a life of loneliness. What would you pick?



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09 Jun 2011, 11:16 pm

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If aspergers dosent make you depressed, you dont really have severe aspergers then, your not affected by it, you should go live your life and socialize,


Oh, shut up. I am diagnosed with major depressive disorder and experienced suicidal ideation for over 15 years, with multiple attempts over a six month period in 1996. You have no idea what my life is or has been like, so don't start laying your baggage on me. Learning that I was autistic finally gave me an explanation for the way many things had gone before, and my depression has been in remission ever since I knew for sure. Prior to that I just thought I had managed to somehow sabotage myself for no discernible reason and could never figure out why. I don't now how severe my autism is, but I do know it isn't mild and I am most assuredly affected by it. If I weren't, I wouldn't need a diagnosis - which I have.

Just because you've catastrophized the living hell out of your Asperger's doesn't mean everyone does, or hates being autistic, or spends all day feeling sorry for themselves. Different people react to things in different ways. Not everyone is like you.

I do not know what you want from this forum, but having us all be one big Aspie hivemind that agrees with everything you say or think is not going to happen.



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10 Jun 2011, 5:03 am

Panic wrote:
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Having Aspergers is just a different way to be, and a different way to experience the world, a very wonderful and beautiful way to experience the world in my opinion, and a rare experience too. Most people with AS could consider themselves lucky. They are mostly above average intelligence, and almost all of them have some special talent or ability. Aspieness comes with its own unique sets of problems, but no more or fewer problems than most NTs have, just unique ones.


This is a blatent lie, aspies see the world in confusion and if not in a sound quiet place to go to after entering the real world, serious stress occurs, i think i can speak for all aspies on this part, tell me an aspie who like to go to the club or busy streets with no one to meet or talk with who likes all the noise and sensory input from all angles and direction non stop.

I dont like liars.


You can't speak for all Aspies, so please don't.

Neither does ChinaCatSunflower, for that matter. Everyone's different.

Why does it matter to you whether other autistic people relate to their autism the same way you do?


If aspergers dosent make you depressed, you dont really have severe aspergers then, your not affected by it, you should go live your life and socialize,


I'm not going to speak for anyone but myself. I suffer from depression and am medicated for it and have been for most of my life. I'm also N-NT but I can 'club it' (ok it was disco we went to) I am paid to talk to strangers, I had a Job years back where I was expected talk to strangers, to help them to guide them, find the ones looking lost and help them find where they want to go, all day, every day, in a busy shopping centre in Bristol where I live. Not easy, not for me anyway, but easier than some people’s jobs.
Practice practice practice.
I'm lucky (I've said elsewhere why) My Life has been a rehearsal for everyday “acting” everyday. Matt Damon get millions for pretending to be someone else for two hours, he gets awards for pretending to be someone he is not.
I do it for free, I do it well, so well in fact, that were you to meet me, you’d say I was “Perfectly Normal”. No one would (unless they knew me or knew a HFA N-NT). It’s not easy to pretend to be NT, when inside you are struggling to cope with just living day to day. But the more you do it the easier it gets to pretend.
I’m proud of who I AM, more so than say Matt Damon, he’s got it easy, he is a normal person pretending to be a different normal person. I know from where I come, and what life would be like if I was not as strong and lucky as I am.
I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet.
If you think I’m a liar or just a mild N-NT, just check out my scores on the test thread.



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10 Jun 2011, 5:20 am

Wow who ever posted if you aren't depressed then you don't have severe aspergers is a loser. Severe aspergers doesn't mean you are depressed. Being depressed is a whole other cookie. Just because I don't socialize doesnt mean I have to be depressed. I am not a social slut and I don't want to be. So to the person I called a loser shut up please.


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10 Jun 2011, 6:35 am

How can someone be proud of having Aspergers?

I figure there is nothing I can do about it, so sod it. Why let it get me down? May as well be proud of it instead, or not care either way...


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10 Jun 2011, 6:58 am

I'm proud of having endured long enough in ignorance of aspergers to reach the point where I know what it is.

I'm proud too of the abilities aspergers has given me to deliver results with software.

I'm not so proud of how little I've achieved with those abilities, although that can be mostly ascribed to the fact of having aspergers and the universal ignorance of it.

I'm not proud either of the world that has abandoned me to that ignorance and that continues to persecute me in triumphal celebration of that ignorance.



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10 Jun 2011, 10:09 am

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Wow who ever posted if you aren't depressed then you don't have severe aspergers is a loser.


And this is one of the things I like about having AS - the ability to be blunt and call people out when they say stupid stuff like,

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If aspergers dosent make you depressed, you dont really have severe aspergers then, your not affected by it, you should go live your life and socialize,


By the way, "severe aspergers" isn't a diagnosable disorder one would find in the DSM. Just thought you'd like to know. :lol:



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10 Jun 2011, 10:15 am

Lerena wrote:
I'm just proud of having Asperger's for one reason, no matter how much damage I have received because of it. I'm proud to have a group of people I can go to and relate to. If I don't have that, I feel alone, disconnected, lonely. Asperger's gives me a sense of belonging, and no matter how much I suffer from it, why should I be hateful of having somewhere to go? Without Asperger's, I'd have nowhere to go, nowhere at all. It's either me with Asperger's or a life of loneliness. What would you pick?


Ditto.



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10 Jun 2011, 10:25 am

I don't think a person should be proud (or ashamed) for something that they just happen to have/be. Being proud should be reserved for achievements.
example: being Irish-American. A person does not do anthing to achieve this. They just are. So while they may be happy about it they shouldn't go off about being proud of it. They didn't DO anything to be that. Whereas getting an A on a test would warrant a little pride...it took alot of studying and careful note taking to ACHIEVE that grade.
Likewise, having Aspergers doesn't warrant any more pride than having multiple sclerosis or lung cancer or migraines. Achieving great success in life DESPITE these hurdles/difficulties is what deserves the pride.
This is only an opinion, not meant to offend. But it is one I believe in.



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10 Jun 2011, 10:32 am

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I don't think a person should be proud (or ashamed) for something that they just happen to have/be. Being proud should be reserved for achievements.
example: being Irish-American. A person does not do anthing to achieve this. They just are. So while they may be happy about it they shouldn't go off about being proud of it. They didn't DO anything to be that. Whereas getting an A on a test would warrant a little pride...it took alot of studying and careful note taking to ACHIEVE that grade.
Likewise, having Aspergers doesn't warrant any more pride than having multiple sclerosis or lung cancer or migraines. Achieving great success in life DESPITE these hurdles/difficulties is what deserves the pride.
This is only an opinion, not meant to offend. But it is one I believe in.


The question is, is being proud to have Asperger's any different than being proud to be Black or gay (or any other group who might have pride)?



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10 Jun 2011, 6:15 pm

skahthic wrote:
I don't think a person should be proud (or ashamed) for something that they just happen to have/be. Being proud should be reserved for achievements.
example: being Irish-American. A person does not do anthing to achieve this. They just are. So while they may be happy about it they shouldn't go off about being proud of it. They didn't DO anything to be that. Whereas getting an A on a test would warrant a little pride...it took alot of studying and careful note taking to ACHIEVE that grade.
Likewise, having Aspergers doesn't warrant any more pride than having multiple sclerosis or lung cancer or migraines. Achieving great success in life DESPITE these hurdles/difficulties is what deserves the pride.
This is only an opinion, not meant to offend. But it is one I believe in.


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10 Jun 2011, 7:24 pm

I am NOT proud of having Asperger's Syndrome because my life is really bad with Asperger's Syndrome!:(



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10 Jun 2011, 7:41 pm

Panic wrote:
skahthic wrote:
I don't think a person should be proud (or ashamed) for something that they just happen to have/be. Being proud should be reserved for achievements.
example: being Irish-American. A person does not do anthing to achieve this. They just are. So while they may be happy about it they shouldn't go off about being proud of it. They didn't DO anything to be that. Whereas getting an A on a test would warrant a little pride...it took alot of studying and careful note taking to ACHIEVE that grade.
Likewise, having Aspergers doesn't warrant any more pride than having multiple sclerosis or lung cancer or migraines. Achieving great success in life DESPITE these hurdles/difficulties is what deserves the pride.
This is only an opinion, not meant to offend. But it is one I believe in.


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To heck with it, I'm proud of being a disabled person. I'm proud of my ADHD, of being autistic, and my chronic pain that might be fibromyalgia and hopefully isn't ankylosing spondylitis (but if it is I will be proud of it too). Having these things does not make my life a living hell. There are things I love to do, there are people in the world I like to interact with, there are places I like to visit. I have everything to live for.

Pride in this context is used as an antonym to shame. Since disabled people are often shamed in so many ways, treated as burdens, characterized negatively in so many ways? Pride is a response to that saying "I'm not ashamed of who I am." It is not the same meaning or context as "pride in one's accomplishments," except maybe for not feeling ashamed or inferior.

I don't care how anyone else relates to their disabilities - that's their choice and they're welcome to it. I am, however, tired of people saying "I don't think people should do something that has no impact on me that I disagree with." It's not relevant to me. It's not relevant to me if skahthic doesn't want to be proud of being autistic, it's not relevant to me if Panic wants to wallow in misery and characterize his life as an autistic person as a living nightmare. What is relevant to me is how I cope with my life, and how I function on my terms.

On the other hand, I do not appreciate having Panic tell me what the severity of my condition is and how much he thinks it must impact me just because I have a different attitude about my disabilities than he does. It's really not his place to even make that call. He's not a professional, he doesn't know me, all he does know is what I care to post here, and it's clear he hasn't even read that because I have been frank about the impact my disabilities have had on me.

Panic, I hope you reconcile your situation and find a way out of the depression you've alluded to. But please do not make how other people deal with their disabilities about you, and please do not try to browbeat other people into agreeing with you.



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11 Jun 2011, 12:53 am

Verdandi wrote:
Panic wrote:
skahthic wrote:
I don't think a person should be proud (or ashamed) for something that they just happen to have/be. Being proud should be reserved for achievements.
example: being Irish-American. A person does not do anthing to achieve this. They just are. So while they may be happy about it they shouldn't go off about being proud of it. They didn't DO anything to be that. Whereas getting an A on a test would warrant a little pride...it took alot of studying and careful note taking to ACHIEVE that grade.
Likewise, having Aspergers doesn't warrant any more pride than having multiple sclerosis or lung cancer or migraines. Achieving great success in life DESPITE these hurdles/difficulties is what deserves the pride.
This is only an opinion, not meant to offend. But it is one I believe in.


THANK YOU FOR CLEARING IT UP FOR THESE ASPIES


To heck with it, I'm proud of being a disabled person. I'm proud of my ADHD, of being autistic, and my chronic pain that might be fibromyalgia and hopefully isn't ankylosing spondylitis (but if it is I will be proud of it too). Having these things does not make my life a living hell. There are things I love to do, there are people in the world I like to interact with, there are places I like to visit. I have everything to live for.

Pride in this context is used as an antonym to shame. Since disabled people are often shamed in so many ways, treated as burdens, characterized negatively in so many ways? Pride is a response to that saying "I'm not ashamed of who I am." It is not the same meaning or context as "pride in one's accomplishments," except maybe for not feeling ashamed or inferior.

I don't care how anyone else relates to their disabilities - that's their choice and they're welcome to it. I am, however, tired of people saying "I don't think people should do something that has no impact on me that I disagree with." It's not relevant to me. It's not relevant to me if skahthic doesn't want to be proud of being autistic, it's not relevant to me if Panic wants to wallow in misery and characterize his life as an autistic person as a living nightmare. What is relevant to me is how I cope with my life, and how I function on my terms.

On the other hand, I do not appreciate having Panic tell me what the severity of my condition is and how much he thinks it must impact me just because I have a different attitude about my disabilities than he does. It's really not his place to even make that call. He's not a professional, he doesn't know me, all he does know is what I care to post here, and it's clear he hasn't even read that because I have been frank about the impact my disabilities have had on me.

Panic, I hope you reconcile your situation and find a way out of the depression you've alluded to. But please do not make how other people deal with their disabilities about you, and please do not try to browbeat other people into agreeing with you.


Im sorry but you make still make no sense at all, there is nothing to be proud of being disabled, period, It dosent matter what you believe, it is nothing to be proud of, its written on the stone of logic, period, you should know this as aspies tend to be logical.

Am I proud that I have constant Anxiety over the smallest things? no

Am I proud I cant think social or have a good theory of mind? no

Your answer to these is apparently "yes"

so now, as you can seem it is really illogical of you to say your proud of AS, it towards a a state of total delusion that you are in.