I keep getting picked on in public. What do I do?! !! !

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25 Jun 2011, 12:56 pm

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I thought it was Aspies who notice little details?

NT's notice the details, but they do so in a more seamless way (so they may not always be aware of it). I like to think of NT vs Aspie thinking in terms of an "integration". The NT notices the details and immediately pieces everything together to form one whole image, whereas the Aspie may notice all the tiny details and not see the big picture. The information is the same, but the way that it's processed is different.

Does that make any sense?


Yep. I know of one fairly typical NT female who calls it "intuition", so it's more like a holistic understanding and "feeling" rather than a lot of consciously recognized, isolated details.



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25 Jun 2011, 1:14 pm

syrella wrote:
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I thought it was Aspies who notice little details?

NT's notice the details, but they do so in a more seamless way (so they may not always be aware of it). I like to think of NT vs Aspie thinking in terms of an "integration". The NT notices the details and immediately pieces everything together to form one whole image, whereas the Aspie may notice all the tiny details and not see the big picture. The information is the same, but the way that it's processed is different.

Does that make any sense?


Is it possible for an aspie to see the big picture except they see it in a different way?

Mom told me I process things differently and view things differently than lot of people do. I know that lot of people view things differently but the difference is all of them can still see the same picture and understand other perspectives and see their point of view while I would have trouble with it and still not see it because I'd be somewhere else meaning only see the big picture I created that isn't the same as everyone else sees. I wonder if NTs would still call this missing the big picture just because it's different?



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25 Jun 2011, 1:48 pm

Well, in that case, I shan't want to go out any more, knowing that NTs haven't got anything better to do than to worry about what a silly girl is doing. Then people wonder why my self-esteem is so low - it's because everybody is so worried about what I'm doing and I'm so noticed that it's got to a point where it can't be ignored because it's too intimidating. Shame on people.


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25 Jun 2011, 3:45 pm

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I thought it was Aspies who notice little details?

NT's notice the details, but they do so in a more seamless way (so they may not always be aware of it). I like to think of NT vs Aspie thinking in terms of an "integration". The NT notices the details and immediately pieces everything together to form one whole image, whereas the Aspie may notice all the tiny details and not see the big picture. The information is the same, but the way that it's processed is different.

Does that make any sense?


Is it possible for an aspie to see the big picture except they see it in a different way?

Mom told me I process things differently and view things differently than lot of people do. I know that lot of people view things differently but the difference is all of them can still see the same picture and understand other perspectives and see their point of view while I would have trouble with it and still not see it because I'd be somewhere else meaning only see the big picture I created that isn't the same as everyone else sees. I wonder if NTs would still call this missing the big picture just because it's different?

Yeah, I don't think it's really a better or worse way of thinking, actually... I don't mean to be implying that any which way is "better", per say. I just meant that it's a difference in the way the information is processed and what sort of information is gained. Which is preferable depends on the context. At least that's how I view it.

I actually find I am probably more general oriented, but I get hung up on details randomly too. So maybe some kinda hybrid as far as thinking goes. I dunno. Could be the ADHD talking, too...

Anyhow, as for not wanting to go out or giving up because it seems out of reach, I wouldn't take it like that... I was just trying to help you understand that there may be more to it than just wearing the right clothes. Body language IS pretty important. That said, you don't want to read too much into it, either. It's possible to over-analyze and feel too self-conscious, which also doesn't help.

I'd just recommend trying to relax when you go into public. You said that helped earlier, when you went out and people didn't seem to notice you too much. I think the key is just having a strong sense of self and making sure that you project that to the world. Easier said than done, I know. Maybe others can help explain it better. It doesn't seem like I'm being helpful.


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25 Jun 2011, 4:20 pm

NTs are so insensitive, selfish and hateful. I constantly face a situation in which NTs whom I do not even know place my life on public display, heckle at me and make endless hurtful comments about me. What hurts the most was when a suspected Aspie whom I liked may possibly have done the same thing to me this week. It really does make me hate people and forces me deeper into my shell when i need to interact with them more. I have encountered power and domination games from NTs for decades and constantly see the same kind of thing that you mention. it is an NT thing to give themselves a false sense of superiority.



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25 Jun 2011, 4:25 pm

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25 Jun 2011, 4:33 pm

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Well, in that case, I shan't want to go out any more, knowing that NTs haven't got anything better to do than to worry about what a silly girl is doing.


NTs are programmed to quickly pick up on deviances. If you're not noticeably different either in fashion or your body language (Which as Syrella suggested, is at least partially an expression of ones sense of self), you won't be noticed or bothered. If you project a heightened sense of confidence, people will openly approach you and talk to you; If you project a sense of weakness or vulnerability, others will exploit it. If you dress normal and act normal, you'll be left alone as that characterizes the majority.

Personally, when I see someone who's going to bump into me because they think I'm a push over or they mistakenly believe that being a part of a clique of three gives them dominance over the sidewalk, I puff my chest out, stay the course and project my elbows outwards. That'll teach 'em!



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25 Jun 2011, 4:49 pm

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If you dress normal and act normal, you'll be left alone as that characterizes the majority.


I do dress normally and act normally. Yesterday I passed a woman who was throwing her arms about whilst talking aloud to herself, and she looked kind of nutty, and no, she wasn't talking on an earphone or anything. Then the day before I saw a guy sitting on his own on a bench, shouting at the top of his voice at nobody in particular - just calling out rude things to random people. He looked pretty scary. I never do those sorts of things. I just be normal, like anyone else.

(Those were just 2 examples)


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25 Jun 2011, 5:14 pm

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If you dress normal and act normal, you'll be left alone as that characterizes the majority.


I do dress normally and act normally. Yesterday I passed a woman who was throwing her arms about whilst talking aloud to herself, and she looked kind of nutty, and no, she wasn't talking on an earphone or anything. Then the day before I saw a guy sitting on his own on a bench, shouting at the top of his voice at nobody in particular - just calling out rude things to random people. He looked pretty scary. I never do those sorts of things. I just be normal, like anyone else.


Where are you, again? The nutter farm?



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26 Jun 2011, 4:58 am

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Where are you, again? The nutter farm?


Yes, where I work is one of those rough towns, where the types of people who scrounge off benefits mostly live (not all, just some). Wish I lived in the country!


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26 Jun 2011, 1:53 pm

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Lately I found I keep being picked on for no reason in public, by middle-aged woman mostly, when I'm by myself, and I find it rather insulting now because it makes me paranoid that it might be because I look weird and dumb, and I make so much effort to go out looking presentable and behaving normal, and so I should deserve respect. I dress fashionably, with a trendy handbag (like a normal woman), and I stand up straight with my hands by my sides (which is how most people stand), and I often wear sunglasses when it's sunny (which actually make me look a little older than what I am). I even wear expensive trainers - those nice trainers what are in fashion. So I don't do anything to stand out at all. If I was excessively fiddling with my hands or flapping my hands about or pacing about nervously, they yeah, I expect some rudeness (although it shouldn't be so, but I was talking from an NT's point of view there). But I look pretty ''normal'' for an Aspie with social anxiety and agoraphobia, and I make a lot of effort to look like any other normal 21-year-old female.

I just find random strangers are acting so rude towards me lately, and the other day it really made me cry, and I felt like I was back at school again. I was sitting on the bus with my bag on the seat next to me, and a random woman just marched on, picked up my bag, threw it on my lap, and sat in the seat next to me - even though there were plenty of other empty seats. And I thought that was really rude of her. Then I sat and thought, ''would she have done it to anybody else who had their bag on the seat next to them?'' And it made me feel uncomfortable for the rest of the day.

Yes, I can see why it would. That kind of thing always has a startling affect on me and I tend to shut down over it for a few hours. Kind of like disassociating or being stunned. It's shocking to my system that people are so inconsiderate and rude.
The only good thing about it is she did want to sit next to you, which isn't all bad. At least she wasn't trying to avoid you.

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Also, today when I was sitting on the bus, I had some college students sitting behind me, and one of them knocked their knees right into the back of my seat, and a few seconds later they done it again then I heard them snigger. I didn't react - I sat facing forwards, without shifting, so it looked like I was ignoring it, but it made me angry because I thought even if I did have an uncomfident face, they couldn't see it because they were sitting behind me, and from the back I just looked like any other calm normal person. Why don't people just leave me alone?! !!

Yes, they can be very annoying. This was attention seeking. Probably from their clique. You did a great thing by ignoring them. It is unnerving. This kind of thing used to really bother me. It was like every nerve in my body was frayed.

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I'm not sure if this happens to everyone, but I've noticed people walk into me all the time, even though they see me. And I don't walk into them - I see them then move aside to give way to them.

I know this sounds childish, but I am really reluctant to wear glasses, because I have a feeling this will make people pick on me even more. (Yes - I wouldn't expect it from adults either, but here we are). My mum always says, ''you are not at school now - why are you so afraid to wear glasses?'' Yes, I've learnt that glasses don't make you look like a geek at all, but some people still haven't learnt that (and then they say Aspies are the ones who are immature! :roll: ) I particularly need glasses to wear all the time, but I need them for seeing things from a long distance, otherwise I scrint all the time when I'm trying to read a sign across the road or something like that.

People never did this to me. Only very recently. It is horrible, and unexplainable, and 9 out of 10 times I cry when I come home. I never get picked on at work. People think I'm NT, and they treat me like any other person, and I even get fancied by men, and I've made a lot of friends. I just don't get it.

It can be overwhelming.