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23 Jun 2011, 10:55 pm

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I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to speak to Temple Grandin once. She told my son "You have autism- don't let it have you". Words to live by.


What does this mean, though?



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23 Jun 2011, 11:01 pm

Verdandi wrote:
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I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to speak to Temple Grandin once. She told my son "You have autism- don't let it have you". Words to live by.


What does this mean, though?


means you should resist giving in to the disability. i doubt it will be successful for those with sensory sensitivity give my experience and that of some lady that i read about. apparently diesel fumes made her puke.



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23 Jun 2011, 11:50 pm

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Why does everyone look at the downsides of Aspergers? There are a few, well known perks that I believe completely outlaw the downsides. So would everyone please stop complaining? It's the way you are, when are you going to embrace it? :roll:


i'd like to know these perks because i haven't seen any.


I'd like to know them, too. I guess being 'special' is a perk. :lol:



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24 Jun 2011, 12:45 am

One insurmountable perk is the Asperger's Syndrome significant effect of raising IQ test scores more than two standard deviations above normal, which Federal Judge Peter C. Dorsey would also regard as making a person with the syndrome "Too Smart To Be A Cop". "I was eliminated on the basis of my intellectual makeup," Too-Smart said. "It's the same as discrimination on the basis of gender or religion or race." But prosperous great intelligence requires the ability to successfully "fake stupid" within the great mediocrity of society.



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24 Jun 2011, 1:11 am

Tadzio wrote:
One insurmountable perk is the Asperger's Syndrome significant effect of raising IQ test scores more than two standard deviations above normal, which Federal Judge Peter C. Dorsey would also regard as making a person with the syndrome "Too Smart To Be A Cop". "I was eliminated on the basis of my intellectual makeup," Too-Smart said. "It's the same as discrimination on the basis of gender or religion or race." But prosperous great intelligence requires the ability to successfully "fake stupid" within the great mediocrity of society.


This IS preposterous. "Aspergers" is merely a category for autistic individuals who happen to have above average IQs and doesn't actually 'increase' ones IQ or anything of the sort. It's like saying "giftedness" has the significant effect of raising IQ test scores when, in reality, giftedness is a category for people who already have significantly above average IQs.



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24 Jun 2011, 1:11 am

oldmantime wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
TalusJumper wrote:
I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to speak to Temple Grandin once. She told my son "You have autism- don't let it have you". Words to live by.


What does this mean, though?


means you should resist giving in to the disability. i doubt it will be successful for those with sensory sensitivity give my experience and that of some lady that i read about. apparently diesel fumes made her puke.


That phrase has little meaning to me, and simply restates what Temple Grandin said. What does it mean? How do you let autism "have you?"

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This IS preposterous. "Aspergers" is merely a category for autistic individuals who happen to have above average IQs and doesn't actually 'increase' ones IQ or anything of the sort. It's like saying "giftedness" has the significant effect of raising IQ test scores when, in reality, giftedness is a category for people who already have significantly above average IQs.


Not above average IQs. You need an IQ of 70+ (among all the other criteria) to be diagnosed with AS. As I recall, the actual average IQ score is a few points below the overall average.



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24 Jun 2011, 2:15 am

Some people try to blame all their problems on Aspergers: they can shift blame away from themselves. Aspergers used as an excuse to whine about the world not being fair. Aspergers used as the get out of jail defence to not accept consequences for one's own actions.

Asperger moment where someone has temporary psychosis or black out and do things that are not normal because Aspergers made them do it. They can not remember the incident due to Aspergers taking over. Doctor Jeckyll and Mr Hyde may exist in a person with Aspergers: half normal and half abnormal.



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24 Jun 2011, 2:22 am

Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:
Some people try to blame all their problems on Aspergers: they can shift blame away from themselves.[citation needed] Aspergers used as an excuse to whine about the world not being fair.[citation needed] Aspergers used as the get out of jail defence to not accept consequences for one's own actions.[citation needed]

Asperger moment where someone has temporary psychosis or black out and do things that are not normal because Aspergers made them do it.[citation needed] They can not remember the incident due to Aspergers taking over.[citation needed] Doctor Jeckyll and Mr Hyde may exist in a person with Aspergers: half normal and half abnormal.[citation needed]


There, I fixed it for you.


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24 Jun 2011, 5:45 am

Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:
Some people try to blame all their problems on Aspergers: they can shift blame away from themselves. Aspergers used as an excuse to whine about the world not being fair. Aspergers used as the get out of jail defence to not accept consequences for one's own actions.

Asperger moment where someone has temporary psychosis or black out and do things that are not normal because Aspergers made them do it. They can not remember the incident due to Aspergers taking over. Doctor Jeckyll and Mr Hyde may exist in a person with Aspergers: half normal and half abnormal.


What extraordinary accusations to make. I will have to ask my husband, who is responsible for the education of a large number of pupils who have Autism (including Asperger's syndrome) whether he agrees with you.

I would like to think that your comments are made without the deliberate intention of causing offence or distress, but it did cross my mind when reading what you posted that perhaps you are occasionally partial to billy-goat-gruff stew :?



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24 Jun 2011, 5:53 am

Hi Swbluto,

What's preposterous is using a constructed phenomenology to "force fit" any selectively gleaned observed evidence to match "a priori" criteria sets to make subsequential inferences in a negative manner, (such as the DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for 299.80 Asperger's Disorder: http://www.autreat.com/dsm4-aspergers.html ), instead of a useful approach with the aspects of a syndrome individualized for utilization in context with each person as an entity benefiting from more appropriate empirical classifications meeting relevant nosologic entities.

Since my "impairments" have an empirical foundation that overlaps with results matching, (and also at least meets more than the minimal criteria for 299.80), Asperger's Syndrome, I put more weight to the originating observations of the person whose name the Syndrome (at least presently) was labeled with. Much as, or some as, in an older New York Times article: http://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/ ... /aspergers

The DSM is suppose to be related to reality, and not just consist of names that are merely for categorization, with everything else just as "happens to haves" (the duck-billed platypus is not prohibited from laying eggs because it is a mammal, and Pluto is still a planet that didn't change its orbit because of a human committee declaration). And, the strongly correlated neurological empirical evidence associated with the a priori criteria of the Asperger's Syndrome, does causally relate to higher IQ test scores (would you also contend that the influenza signs and symptoms "gives" the person a "virus", and not the virus causing the flu??? Which do you blame for what?).

I'm hoping for more clarifications on follow ups of "Psychiatric Manifestations of Neurologic Disease: Where are we headed?", Dialogues Clin Neurosci. 2007 ; 9(2): 111–124., that will possibly be easily available also as: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2687521/ (for here, mainly the "Pulling it all together" section)



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24 Jun 2011, 7:51 am

Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:
Some people try to blame all their problems on Aspergers: they can shift blame away from themselves. Aspergers used as an excuse to whine about the world not being fair. Aspergers used as the get out of jail defence to not accept consequences for one's own actions.

Asperger moment where someone has temporary psychosis or black out and do things that are not normal because Aspergers made them do it. They can not remember the incident due to Aspergers taking over. Doctor Jeckyll and Mr Hyde may exist in a person with Aspergers: half normal and half abnormal.


What I find interesting is that people that fixate on attacking others behavior are usually overwhelmed by their own insecurities and are overcompensating by putting on a facade of superiority.

But not Dark_Lord_2008. He most assuredly is superior.


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24 Jun 2011, 11:20 am

Tadzio wrote:
The DSM is suppose to be related to reality, and not just consist of names that are merely for categorization, with everything else just as "happens to haves" (the duck-billed platypus is not prohibited from laying eggs because it is a mammal, and Pluto is still a planet that didn't change its orbit because of a human committee declaration). And, the strongly correlated neurological empirical evidence associated with the a priori criteria of the Asperger's Syndrome, does causally relate to higher IQ test scores (would you also contend that the influenza signs and symptoms "gives" the person a "virus", and not the virus causing the flu??? Which do you blame for what?).


Callista posted this in a thread last month about AS and Down Syndrome:

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I've been doing some poking around in the journal databases, and found that the average IQ of people with Asperger's is not 120, nor anything close.

It tends to be slightly below average. This study found an average of 95.76:

Zander, E.; Dahlgren, SO. “WISC-III index score profiles of 520 Swedish children with pervasive developmental disorders.” Psychological Assessment, v. 22 issue 2, 2010, p. 213-22.

So those of you who think "I'm an Aspie; therefore I'm smart; therefore I'm superior" can get off your collective high horse now and join the rest of the human race. Not only does IQ not equal intelligence, but IQ isn't even elevated in Aspies.


So, which empirical evidence do you mean, precisely?



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24 Jun 2011, 12:48 pm

And here I was laboring under the notion that Asperger's CAN be associated with higher IQ scores but that the criteria actually calls for normal to elevated IQ scores....



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24 Jun 2011, 12:51 pm

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And here I was laboring under the notion that Asperger's CAN be associated with higher IQ scores but that the criteria actually calls for normal to elevated IQ scores....


Haven't you heard? We're all supergeniuses with superpowers who would rule the world if only we could stop perseverating on anime and video games.

(just for explicitness, that is sarcasm)



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24 Jun 2011, 12:56 pm

Verdandi wrote:
draelynn wrote:
And here I was laboring under the notion that Asperger's CAN be associated with higher IQ scores but that the criteria actually calls for normal to elevated IQ scores....


Haven't you heard? We're all supergeniuses with superpowers who would rule the world if only we could stop perseverating on anime and video games.

(just for explicitness, that is sarcasm)



Well crap. I was really hoping that super genius super powers thing would kick in and then I'd be all set.

I guess I need a plan B.


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24 Jun 2011, 1:12 pm

Verdandi wrote:
draelynn wrote:
And here I was laboring under the notion that Asperger's CAN be associated with higher IQ scores but that the criteria actually calls for normal to elevated IQ scores....


Haven't you heard? We're all supergeniuses with superpowers who would rule the world if only we could stop perseverating on anime and video games.

(just for explicitness, that is sarcasm)


DAMN THEM! Anime and video games are just the NT's way of keeping us down!! !