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epimondandas - your teacher sounds absolutely vile, and i'm not surprised you remember her in very negative terms - i would too.

tafkash, yes you're correct - i am a witch. and you're correct about the over enthusiastic PCness, but for a different reason.... the witch is an archetype, and therefore, everyone WILL still see her in very negative and threatening terms. the point is to remember that there are witches, and then there are witches. we can't change an archetype, but i don't want to be considered a baby-eating, evil (if i believed in evil, which i don't), stereotype, any more than i want to be treated in a sexist, racist or homophobic way (etc., etc.). if it's about female power, then i'm just asking that people think about the words they use.

i'm not offended - as i say, just hope my comment was thought-provoking rather than waggy-fingered.

oh, and not every contemporary witch is a Wiccan, by the way. sigh - gets complicated, don't it?

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If sticking up for a minority that are generally thought badly off is 'loathsome political correctness' then I guess I must be PC. I am not going go back on my opinion just because some says the dreaded PC words. We are not talking about 'every thing offending someone' we are talking about a derogatory, stereotypical comment. As another poster mentioned he would never of dreamed or likening her behaviour to a major religion so why is it acceptable to liken it to a minority one??


And I agree with a previous comment that not all Witches are Wiccan,Wicca is a fairly modern invention and not all witches follow that 'tradition'.

I'm Jewish myself (Sephardic Curacaoan mother, Ashkenazi father). I was raised in a Modern Orthodox family (nowadays it would probably be considered Conservative), and went to an Orthodox high school. I was given ample opportunity to become religious, except faith for some reason never rubbed off on me. Maybe I'm too much of a scientist (science is a religion unto itself) or I can't conceive of stuff that I can't see (such as God, who I've always figured is associated with anything humans don't understand...yet). My parents don't seem to like it and they've told me that I have to do what seems best.

I've always wanted to do break free. However, there's one minor problem: all the rituals and customs have apparently triggered the "nonfunctional ritual/custom defense" of Asperger's in my case. I've been trying to convince myself to drop them for probably 25 years, and absolutely nothing has happened as the defense kicks in. It's very painful.

ACG

What? No single religious person here can tell me what they expect heaven or hell to be like? now come on!, lets here it! <grins>, are you not DiEiNg to get into heaven when you die? I want to know what you expect from it to make You happy enough for You to be calling it YouR heaven!.
Or is it just supposed to be Gods heaven and your supposed to do as your told like it or not? do you like being told what to do? what are you expecting from heaven that will make you happy? are you expecting someone else to make you happy once you get there?
CoMe On I WaNt To KnoW!


let me guess, you don't have to poop or pee and no need to eat or drink nor do you have to sleep?, and no thorns on the paths? all this makes it heaven right? but what if i like the taste of foods and drinks? or to dream? or to snuggle as I lay down with my fav person and nap? or what if it makes me happy to weed my gardens?, hmmmm <ponders>.
Is someone supposed to make all this happen for me? hmmm <ponders>.
I know! its the streets of gold and buildings made of ruby's right! wow soo pretty, but what if i don't like yellows and reds? and the value of such things would be worthless if there was so much of it!, how about shops and stores? do I have to keep paying for my goods? and if so what kind of job will I end up with? will it pay good and make me happy? or just make the boss happy?. <hmmm><ponders>.
I know I know, Its the honer of loving someone whom I have never seen with my own eyes nor met that has little time for me with all the rest of the world at his/her feet begging for attention them selves! just because he/she says so or your going to burn in everlasting hell if you don't love them! (sounds a bit like terrorism to me).


Come on, tell me what makes heaven heaven and why it would make YOU happy to end up there!

Actually Aspergian_mutant- I feel like my personal views of 'heaven' are just that personal. I have no wish to share them with other people and no wish to ask other's opinions of my beliefs on what happens to us after we die.

Other people might be more willing to share their beliefs if you didn't make it obvious that your posts were made with derision.

As you wish, I just wanted a good debate hehehe

I would not shoot down someones faith, just question their motives.
I love philosophy, and I enjoy nitpicking religious topics to death, don't matter what religion, I read up on and studied most all of them to some degree.

when I was a kid and lived at home, my father would let me answer the door when the bible thumpers came knocking at the door, I would talk and converse with them, after a while they would leave questioning them selves and needing to talk with their pastor about question now their own. hehehe.

if someone was firm in their faith and yet could open their minds and listen, more power too them, and in turn i would listen my self, i always do, unless, if their nothing but do or burn then I don't want to hear it, to me thats terrorism, if they in truth doubted what they preached then they shouldn't come knocking on my door ill prepared, I like a good debate.
I like making others question them selves and their faith, it makes them stronger, it makes them question and look for answers, or their not where they need to be at yet in their life, at my door.

Tim

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I love a good debate too but I just don't really want to discuss something that is so personal to me.

Hope you find someone who wants to discuss this issue with you

OK fair dos... Unfortunately most people have no familiarity whatsoever with the concept of a non-stereotype "cauldron, broom and black cat" witch, so I think you're on to a loser expecting the great unwashed to have a different visualisation of what being a witch may entail...... Good luck anyway. Maybe wicca (wicka?) (and whatever other types of witch there are ) needs an image consultant and a name change - how about "Spiritual Element Integration Consultant"? (I won't try to think up a rude acronym )



Fair dos again. Its just a case of "where do you stop" to me though with PC - we're apparently not allowed to use the term "nitty gritty" anymore because it originated in the slave trade.... Who gets offended by the use of "nitty gritty" for the sake of Peter?

Actually, she was the prinicpal. Most the teachers were not bad, though by her intructions they took notes of every little behavior quirk or action I did while in class so the evil, wicked beast could use it against me. Perhaps, I should refer to the Wizard of Oz and classify, Wicked Witch vs. Good Witch. She was definitely a Wicked Witch.

I might add, that it still leaves many psychological scars on me today. I mentioned one of them. The strong need/desire to become very successful just to show her off. It also put a major setback on the friends I sort of had going after a long and slow development period to get them and therefore made it even harder to associate with or make friends later on. Low self esteem and depression were two other factors.

Distrustfulness of people grew in me because of it. I could probably name quite a few other things that this aweful experience caused me.

The ones I experienced in Nursery School and Second Grade are probably similarily causal affecting to my state of being, but I don't remember them quite as well, my mother reminded me of it.

In Nursery School, I was locked in the bathroom and forgotten about for nearly 2 hours and when my mother came to pick me up, they could not find me. They discovered me still in the bathroom. I think one sitter passed off the duty to another but did so unsuccessfully, I was withdrawn from that school shortly after.

In Second Grade, I had a horrible teacher (the one I still remember as being the most evil teacher I ever had), she actually hated me, at least my mother thought so. She made me clean up a mess in the bathroom because I misunderstood the method of using toilet paper, I wound them up into wads so as to keep the dirt as far from my hand as possible, but it clogged the toilet. One of her cruel punishments was cleaning it after the bowl clogged without tools. I was gagged and taped to my desk. I was spanked before the whole class. I was left outside when the bell rang because I did not want to come in, and her careless heartless attitude was to leave me out there unattended. I was eventually transfered after my mother heard some of the things she did to me to another and an older teacher's homeroom. That teacher my mother said eventually did this to another child though not as severely as me and was let go.

Epimonandas- the teacher you had sounds awful and no wonder it has stayed with you all these years.

I am sorry if anyone felt I was over-reacting a little but the pop culture reference helps explain what you mean more clearly

Like any other group witches have to put up with an awful lot of stereotyped ideas and it can be offensive and tiring. Whilst people continue to use this term in a negative way it is hard to fight the stereotypical view that many have of us. And I'm sure that this goes for a lot of other people who belong to groups where stereotypes about them prevail- such as Aspies perhaps??

I suppose it is a typical aspie thing, I tend think everyone knows what I know like I am the lcd or lowest common denominator.

Not true. Science is constantly expanding and revising its own teachings. It seeks to uncover the truth by tightly controlled testing and admits that it does not and cannot explain everything. Religions are much more static and arrogant.

However, if you want to blur the line a bit, there's some very interesting info on Torsion Fields / Bio-Fields out there. Apparently churches and temples and such have conical spires because those shapes are good at channeling psychic energy or some such nonsense.

[quote="aspergian_mutant"] No single religious person here can tell me what they expect heaven or hell to be like? quote]

whatever heaven becomes to be, it's gotta be better than this warped planet i live on..

Lol.......................................LoL

got me there.

hehehe, maybe its just a bunch of nude people wearing fig leaves running around in a garden of eden eating frute off the tree's and swinging from the branch's.

that sounds like heaven to me...

my thoughts exactly