Are you psychic?

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I'll give you an example from real life; button pushing. I know exactly what to say to people to get reactions and rub them the wrong way. It's like I know it before I know anything about them. Let's say someone doesn't like seafood. I will go on and on about how much I like it before finding out they hate it. This often happens. People wonder how I know what to say to irritate them.

Some might chalk it up to coincidence but it happens too much to just be that.

Seriously, I have been accused of following people around when that is absolutely the last thing I would do just because I know stuff about their day without them telling.

I even got a phone psychic job because of it. So, you can believe what you want and I will choose what I believe.

I know what I have experienced and I seek out scientific explanations.

I've noticed it with my logical mind in others more than me. After an intensely stressful period of time I was walking around the block with my wife, and sensed a slowing down of time that I had never experienced before in my life. Not more than two seconds later my wife stated that was weird it seems like time slowed down. It was the first time I had experienced the feeling in my life, and it was also the first time she had experienced it in life. I attribute it to coming down off a long period of an adrenaline rush. I don't know of any gesture or facial expression that suggests that time suddenly slowed down, I'm not quite sure how my wife experienced that empathy, but it suggests to me that for some people their sensory abilities and ability to connect to others may exceed what we recognize as normal.

If that's the case, for those that feel it stronger than others, it's no wonder they don't understand why they feel some of the things they do or enjoy a trip to Superwalmart.

That's an interesting example of button pushing, I found myself pushing people's buttons not realizing it; them thinking I was doing it on purpose. It is normally an intentional offensive manuever to make someone feel uncomfortable. I think in general for people with Aspergers it's because we have to give long logical explanations, that get on people's nerves, that others don't find as valuable as we do. I'm probably doing it now.

I am thinking here in your example that your intention is not to push buttons either; you bring up topics of difference with no intention of conflict. The going on and on part of it might be more irritating than the difference of opinion on seafood. I can't imagine someone getting irritated just because I said I like seafood and they didn't, unless I went on and on about it, like I have about my interests.

Knowing unusual things about a person's day on a consistent basis sounds more like a greater than normal connection between two people. Do you have any unusual examples of that, that you would like to share, that you find uncanny, including your phone psychic job.

By the way, I got interested in what might be behind psychic phenomenon about the same time I got interested in Dinosaurs 40 years ago. I question the validity of the ability of people to guess what's in boxes (sounds like a game show to me), but when it comes to human connections, I'm unsure of what the clear boundries are between people, from what I think is a logical position, but I'm interested in perspectives that may change my opinion on specific examples I present.

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Flocking and schooling has a simple alogorithm like a biological programme.

Human behaviour probably includes this and other algorithms for group behavior and individual predictive behavior . We are not aware we are performing these calcultions. We experience and interpret the data and results fed back to us as emotional responses, intuitons, dreams and thoughts. For some reason these internal representations seem more far complex than the data or the results to us but they are alive with meaning to us.

Check out Game Theory and related developments from that theory.

All these are simple repeated formulas built up , like everything else, into stable coexisting complexity
and balanced stasis. A coeveolution of systems with relative states of competition and satbility. Its all one long set of calculations but felt like emotional music, interpreted like art , sensed on millions
of sensor nerves as touch and feel and warmth- being a string of numbers doesn't mean its not valid any more than DNA can be reduced to numerical sequence .

If you need something 'wow' ,paralleling contemporary mysticism some Q scientists suggest the 'electron handshake' may be responsible for linking past present and future events ( in human experential terms ) into one spontaneous moment of consciousness . What it doesn't allow us to do is predict the winning lottery ticket or our future partners.



I think there is either a cat in the box or not.

Think about it

The best one I can remember is dreaming that a teacher's aide's car broke down. (I was in High School when I had the dream.) The next day, I went into school and into the class where the aide was. He was telling the class about his run of bad luck. What made it eerie was the fact that he said HIS CAR BROKE DOWN. To this day, I still find that strange.

Those are all interesting theories that could play parts to produce the synergy of effect. With birds their is also genetics, learned behavior, being able to literally see the earth's magnetic field, olfactory response, and many other innate and environmental factors we probably haven't taken into account yet; some we may never understand.

At one point in time people assumed birds were psychic, in their seemingly amazing abilities to follow the same patterns of imigration, in formations that flow almost seamlessly together. We gained the ability to measure many of the factors that contribute to the behavior, and now we understand it better.

To this point, the common response for unusual human abilities that people commonly refer as psychic ability, is it's just coincidence; the easy way out, instead of taking the time and effort to study the phenomenon in as many new ways as possible, to eventually find what works to measure it as valid phenomenon.

The theories lead to interesting speculation for thought out of the box, but the hard science is what is taken seriously in the scientific community.

I think it is going to be a long road to understand what underlies these abilities of human beings, because at this point in time, it is still considered nothing more than a sham among the skeptics in the scientific community. It's no wonder, it's viewed this way because of the experiments of the past, but it may be that the method for study was the failure not the validity of phenomenon.

And no I don't think it helps us pick the winning lottery numbers or what's in the box, however there are many factors already studied, that we are not consciously aware of, that come in to play to influence our choice in a future partner; genetic, cultural, and environmental. That may not be specifically what you are referring to though.

The thought of birds seeing The Earths magnetic fields is amazing- I wondering if it looks like the Borealis
to them? Wouldn't it be amazing if for a moment our brains could comprehend and imagine all those different animal perceptions of our world!

I found this - apparently the robin has evolved a series of...

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/ ... tum-birds/

Given this is possible I wonder if any species including ourselves could , or even to an extent have made use of this possibility



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactio ... rpretation

I quite agree there is a lot more potentially going on in our minds than we can begin to imagine but I think the natural wonder of it is greater than most of the mysticism that precludes it.

One further though there, digital music relies on a series of numbers reductable to binary code?
Music can evoke and communicate profound emotion , and I guess whole cognitive/conceptual states
I think maybe here there is metaphor for how one part of the process of simple alogrithm -complex experience and emerges, and to think as you have shown all animals have different perceptions and experiences of this.

That's amazing

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Visions? How did they work? I'm sorry if it's intrusive, I'm just kind of thrilled to meet someone else with them. XD

Fnord, while you are welcome to personally believe whatever you like, please don't use this thread to make such personal attacks on people. I started this thread asking people to expose a very personal part of themselves; what you are doing is really painful to the other people here. Imagine if I started a thread asking if people were good dancers, and someone wandered in screaming that they wanted 'proof' people could dance and demanding they 'admit' they couldn't dance; that would be incredibly cruel and hurtful, wouldn't it?

By all means, express your opinion, whether or not you think psychics exist. Just remember that a) most people here have AS or autism, and therefore might read your post as 'I personally hate you', whether or not you meant it that way, b) no one knew what autism was for a very long time either, so you may be eating your own words at some point in the future, and c) if you're talking to anyone who can read other people's minds\emotions, why wouldn't they 'hear' your skepticism too? Because it would be awfully hard to pitch a baseball if someone was standing there saying "No you can't, no you can't" verbally, and just as hard to perform psychically if that's what someone's mind is saying too.

(I'm sorry for the double-post, but I didn't want to try to have two conversations in one post, especially since I was calling out someone specifically.)

I can barely read my own mind. How the hell am I supposed to read someone else's?

This reminds me of the time that one of my internet friends I met 6 years ago when I was on myspace was moving from CA to ID, and I thought to myself, "their car is gonna break down on the way there!" I only think that because I hate cars and don`t trust them. And when I asked her how was the ride from Cali to Idaho, she said, "on the way their our car broke down!" I was like, "I knew that was gonna happen, I said it to myself!" She said, "why didn`t u warn me??" I said, "because I wasn`t sure if it was certain." Thart was scary!

I can sometimes easily predict what a person would begin to say because they have done it before so I say it before them or interrupt them and finish
Well it may be annoying but I think it's funny that I can remember what people do and act like.

albums to eight track to casettes to compact discs to mp3 recordings

I was disappointed when compact discs first came out. I thought digital meant better sound quality but was sadly disappointed at the loss of nuance that my keen sense of hearing was fully aware of. It was like the music was no longer fully alive.

Now it's quantity and special effects over quality and originality. While music was once the only visual experience other than live concerts, now the visual presentation of the musical performance often plays a larger role than the music.

I can't help but to wonder if modern day culture, reduces our ability to experience all the other nuances of life, we might experience if we weren't desensitized by the jack hammer of culture.

The research on the psychic phenomenon regarding erotic images was interesting in that the men in the group were already desensitized by their experience of it as compared to the women, so they had to look for more explicit images to evoke the same response in the men.

If all the animals could sense the tsuanami in Indonesia, to travel inland well before it hit, why wouldn't man have the same kind of senses if he was more intune to the nuance of the environment in the natural world?

I used to feel pleasure with each passing cloud over the Sun much of my life, subtle changes in barometric pressure, temperature change, and a thousand other things in the natural environment, before it was drowned out by the speed of life. I wonder how many people notice and enjoy these normal nuances in the environment anymore.

I would imagine there were more reports of shared human experience above what we see as normal before our senses became bombarded by the man made stimulation that we are subjected to as humans today.

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Last edited by TheygoMew on 26 Jul 2011, 4:12 am, edited 1 time in total.

Yep, same for me.

^I can't read your avatar's mind for obvious reasons...