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trenchcoatguy
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30 Jul 2011, 7:22 pm

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I wasn't told until i was almost 19. I am not entirely sure how i feel about it. I understand that they didn't want me to develop a sense of learned helplessness but i still feel i had a right to know. My entire childhood made sense to me all of the sudden. My father tore up the documentation of my diagnosis and is still completely in denial. It just pained him to much to have a mentally deficient son. I remember thinking over and over again throughout my life, "am i ret*d and everyone is hiding it from me?" I remember seeing how the down syndrome children were treated and spoken to in a way where they aren't even aware they are different. I noticed similarities in how i was spoken too. I was put on medication for years... all i can say about medicating your children is DONT if you can go without it in any way DONT medicate your children. Medication made me completely psychotic during the period i was medicated. The medications i was given robbed e of my personality and robbed me of my morality. I was an unfeeling zombie for years, and it was the meds. The medication made me behave in such a way that it was easy for everyone to say i was crazy, and the behaviors the medication caused led to further diagnosis and guess what... more medication. One day i realized that i had just spent several years fighting psychotic urges that seemed to be coming from an outside force, i stopped taking my medication. Suddenly i was an intelligent young man. I go to college for psychology and sociology and i am far more intelligent than either of my parents. I am still very socially awkward though. In college sociology i learned about something called the medicalization of deviance. The theory goes as such, doctors and the overall medical industry are pushed by pharmaceutical companies too diagnose more and more behavioral disorders and something physiological and genetic, once the problem is diagnosed as something you cannot face because it is part of your genetics they sell you a cure or treatment. The pharmaceutical industry largely relies on this. And overall if you look at accurate unbiased statistics on the effectiveness of medication, particularly anti-psychotics, and psychotropics, you find they don't work hardly at all. So hopping your child up on drugs that are generally similar chemical compounds to meth (for example: Ceroquil, Ridalin, Adderal) is not the solution except in particular extreme cases. Oh and ADD isn't real. You generally dont get diagnosed with ADD unless you are in America. Other countries have Hyperkinesis for which the behavioral effects are much more severe than what has been diagnosed as the standard behavioral effects of ADD. ADD is diagnosed purely behaviorally, there is no provable physical characteristics of ADD. ADD is generally diagnosed when children don't pay attention in school. This is what was once called being a child, what child in their right mind could happily pay attention to school, kids want to play. If your child wont calm down and stop running in circles, take them to the park or beach to run. ADD is generally a just a lack of stimulation resulting in children who desperately need to play. It is often just a result of the lazy parenting that has become common place in the modern day. It is just easier to feed your children sedatives than to take them out three times a day. The amount of activity required to raise a happy child is simply considered too much of a bother in the modern day.

Sorry for getting off topic im prone to ranting.


At first i was:

"damn this guys has been manipulated and lied to..oh man they made him a zombie, took away his humanity"

then I was like

"wut"

yeah sorry about that man, i just love a good debate



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30 Jul 2011, 7:47 pm

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dougn you missed one of my posts that you need to read its before the one you are replying to.

I did? I quoted from three different posts there. I don't think I missed anything.



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30 Jul 2011, 7:48 pm

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dougn you missed one of my posts that you need to read its before the one you are replying to.

I did? I quoted from three different posts there. I don't think I missed anything.

Did you catch the part where i conceded my point, what can i say i read the studies you posted they have brain patterns related to ADD, physical factual evidence.



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30 Jul 2011, 8:09 pm

trenchcoatguy wrote:
Sorry for getting off topic im prone to ranting.


I'm in the UK and was diagnosed. My mum was diagnosed. Many kids i worked with have been diagnosed with ADD.

There are many other factors to ADD than just 'not paying attention in school'.

I was constantly frustrated at myself, my inability to remember items, get to lectures with the wrong days stuff, late to exams, job interviews, inability to get up in the mornings, inability to sleep, nocturnal sleeping (apparently common with ad(h)d), making stupid mistakes in all my maths and getting 2-3 grades lower because of this, always getting yelled at by teachers because my 'work is a mess and i don't put in any effort' when i was trying as hard as i could.

Inability to learn from lectures, i HAVE to learn visually. Inability to learn without seeing the bigger picture first.

The list goes on. It was only until a few months ago i got a diagnosed i realised half the difficulties i have were part of ADD. Speaking to many others has allowed me to learn more about myself and techniques of doing things, making my life easier.

ADD is not the figment of someone's imagination.[/quote]
i have all those same problems to this day. I believe it is just behavioral i dont think it is a medical and physical illness for which there is treatment or cures, i believe it is essentially a personality trait.[/quote]

But there are medical treatment.

I was moved to ritalin whilst i did my exams, and i can tell you now, it was like a miricle drug. I could actually concentrate in lectures and tutorials. I actually followed! I actually learnt something rather than coming out and having to relearn everything myself.

When i lost my line of thought, i could retrace it! It was amazing, i no longer felt like i was walking around in a fog.

I believe there is some truth to conditions being 'personality traits'. There are both positives and negatives to having ADHD. Because i am visual, i have amazing creativity and imagination.

However, with personality traits, you can work and improve them. I will always be late to work, school, job interviews. There are things i try so hard to do, and yet, i still manage to mess things up. It's a very frustrating condition.

I was misdiagnosed with 'absense seizures' (something that add can commonly be misdiagnosed as). All my EEG scans came up as abnormal, but not seizures. They couldn't figure it out, until a few months ago when they realised it was ADD. People with ADHD generally have abnormal EEG scans.


Due to ADHD however, there are some things i CANNOT DO. I CANNOT go shopping, i can't wait in queues. I feel like my soul and mind is crushing and i actually get a suicidal feeling because i HATE waiting with a passion. I get the feeling that i want to kill someone.

In time, they may start using EEG scans to actually successfully diagnose ADHD =).

ADD also run on emotions - something Neurotypicals do not do. If i fancy doing something, i'll do it. No amount of mental reasoning will stop me doing it. If i fancy going up a mountain at 3am. I will do it. If i fancy sleeping, i'll do it. We have little self control which is why many have addictive personalities. We go by emotions, not by rational reasoning,

The kids i work with, whom have ADHD, it's more than just a personality trait. You just cannot make them sit still, and if you do, they become agressive. They are however, extremely intelligent. A very different intelligence to Aspergers/Autism.

In addition, you are probably asking on the wrong forums for advice and information. I'd head over to addforums since practically everyone on there has ADD.



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30 Jul 2011, 8:13 pm

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Did you catch the part where i conceded my point, what can i say i read the studies you posted they have brain patterns related to ADD, physical factual evidence.

Yes... Did you just mean to concede that point, or the entire argument? Sorry if I misunderstood.



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30 Jul 2011, 9:06 pm

Wow. This really scares me. I was diagnosed with AS at 18 but now I'm starting to question if I might have been diagnosed with something else in the past and my dad never told me considering how he treats my AS. I know that I was tested for ADHD at age 4 but was never diagnosed. I'm still baffled as to how parents, teachers, and peers alike would completely not see the obvious signs of my autism and just assumed I was an antisocial b***h. In fact I'm still insistent that some teachers (especially from the Catholic Schools I went to) knew that something was wrong with me but were too cowardly to speak up. I think the students from the Catholic Schools knew that something was off about me too and decided to take complete advantage of it. I refuse to believe that my AS symptoms were not recognizable. Come on, people.



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30 Jul 2011, 9:09 pm

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My parents hid it from me too. Unfortunately one of my teachers let it slip (to the whole class, in my absence) when I was about 14.


Wow. That must really have sucked.


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31 Jul 2011, 12:04 am

raisedbyignorance wrote:
I was diagnosed with AS at 18 but now I'm starting to question if I might have been diagnosed with something else in the past and my dad never told me considering how he treats my AS.

Another possibility is that you were never diagnosed because your parents made sure it didn't happen, which is what happened to me, with the complicity of several others (e.g. a therapist who knew I had it but didn't say anything to anyone [according to him] -- I could imagine him having said something to my parents, but since he is my parents' long-time friend he probably would have they wouldn't have wanted me diagnosed, and so not bothered).



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31 Jul 2011, 1:47 am

I think it is very unfortunate that lots of children are given medication. I dread to think how it may be affecting them.

I think as a society we are going about this ADD thing all wrong. We are basically putting blame on the child, saying the child is the one with the problem. But we never stop to think that the current generations of children are the first to be brought into a world that is so dazzling and fast that its no wonder they react the way they do. When our parents were children they didn't have hundreds of tv channels throwing adverts out at them, there was nowhere near the amount of traffic and noise polution we have now. I think the developmental disorders are partly evident because of the way society has speeded up and we just expect those people who happen to have been born in recent years to deal with it, and if they can't we say they've got a disorder.

I wonder if the child is responding in a normal way to an abnormal world.