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17 Sep 2006, 6:44 pm

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The problem with your theory is this... lazziez faire economics insures that there are plenty of people who do indeed work hard, but who still simply cannot afford all of life's necessities on the paltry wages they receive. What about them? When their employers will not pay them a living wage, what then? Should we just throw up our hands and say, "Oh well, sucks to be you?" Even laying aside compassion for the moment, is that wise when they're often the ones who are growing the food, mining the coal, removing the garbage, and doing these other tasks which are essential for the maintenance of our society?

You are arguing about the tax burden on the middle class... a burden I've always considered onerous, as well. What I've always wondered is why the body of the tax burden cannot go to people who are most able to pay, ie the rich.


the same problem exists with having the democraps run the show, it sucks to be a middle aged guy with no skills in this country or a middle aged woman with no kids or skills. The only thing they qualify for is a job that doesn't even pay the rent because employers have an ample supply of people on government assistance who can live off wages that pay next to nothing.

you're to hung up on your buzz word (( lazziez faire )) that the news media pumped into your head to see the bigger picture. The welfare state the democraps created destroyed the unions, they have lost membership ever sinse LBJ passed all that lets make everything fair nonsense. People now fight for government handouts instead of a living wage. Everyone used to be in the same boat before the government got involved and everyone stuck together.

add in Jimmy Carter and Paul Volcker raising interest rates to 20% to delibertly put over 10% of the workforce out of work so they would cut each others throats for jobs and the dempcraps turned the workers against each other. The media machine told the peasants the high paid union workers where the cause of inflation, when it was actually LBJ taxing the hell out of people to pay for his war on poverty and his war in vietnam. The union workers had the power to pass on the tax increases and the liberal media turned them into the bad guys instead of laying the blame on LBJ where it belonged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norris-LaGuardia_Act
The Norris-LaGuardia Act (also known as the Anti-Injunction Bill) of 1932 was a United States federal law that outlawed yellow-dog contracts, or those in which a worker agreed as a condition of employment that he would not join a labor union; the common title followed from the names of the sponsors of the legislation: Republicans Senator George Norris of Nebraska and Representative Fiorello H. LaGuardia of New York. The act established as United States law that employees should be free to form unions without employer inferences and also withdrew from the federal courts jurisdiction relative to the issuance of injunctions in nonviolent labor disputes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft-Hartley_Act

between 1947 and 1994 the democraps had control of congress for 40 years and the white house on numerous times and inspit of pleas by laboe never did repeal Taft/Hartley, just the opposite, Bubba Clinton used it against the American Airlines pilots.


On April 17, the House passed the Hartley bill. And on May 13, 1947, the Senate voted 68-21 to adopt the Taft bill. Democrats were split exactly 50-50, with 21 voting for, and 21 against.

With the Democratic Party moving ever rightward, repeal of Taft-Hartley has stayed on labor's back burner. An effort to get part of the bill repealed during the Carter administration failed miserably -- despite a large Democratic majority in both houses. The return of a Democratic President and Democrat-controlled Congress in 1992-94 did not raise real hope of repealing Taft-Hartley. And yet American workers -- both the organized and the unorganized -- unwittingly suffer the effects of Taft-Hartley every working day.

republicans sponsored The Norris-LaGuardia Act 1932 and than with the help of the democrpas in 1947 screwed labor and the democraps haven't done jack chit for labor sinse than but screw them.

the only way the taft/harley veto by Truman was over road was because the democrap senators helped do it.

lazziez faire ended in 1932 and was ended by a republican sponsored bill and they have had control of the white house and congress for the last 5 years and haven't even brought a bill to the floor to outlaw unions.

1980 trucking deregulation went into effect thanks to Ted Kennedy & Jimmy Carter that was my 21st birthday present and I have lived through 26 years of slaughter of good truck driving jobs.

Trucking is the key to the labor movement, set up a picket line at anyplace in the country and if the truckers are union, they refuse to cross it and cripple any business on strike in no time. As long as the trucks are non-union and will cross the picket lines, businesses can continue to operate with replacement labor.

Maybe someday you will catch on, the democraps don't tax the rich to help the poor, the wealthy just pass all the taxes right back to the poor, as Leona Helmsly pointed out
"only the little people pay taxes"
she wasn't saying she didn't send money to the government, she was saying the money she did send she just took out of the poors peoples pockets because she had the power to do it. Raise her taxes and she raises her prices.

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Strong productivity gains and subdued wage growth boosted before-tax profits to 11.6% of national income in the fourth quarter of 2005, the biggest share since the summer of 1966. See full story.
For all of 2005, before-tax profits totaled $1.35 trillion, up from $1.16 trillion in 2004 and just $767 billion in 2001.
Meanwhile, the share of national income going to wage and salary workers has fallen to 56.9%. Except for a brief period in 1997, that's the lowest share for labor income since 1966.
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strange how sinse LBJ's great society crap passed congress that corperate profits are doing better than ever.


They made $4500 for every man,woman & child in the country and thats just the money the government can count.

China most favored nation trading partner, thanks Bill Clinton from Arkansas home of wal-mart.Hillary Clinton was on the board of directors of wal-mart 8O

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Wal-Mart and J.B. Hunt Transport Services. Where did the funding come from in the 1980s, for them to get so big? If you think they spread out simply because they are clever, then you are a firm believer in fairy tales. In simple terms, the backward state of Arkansas, controlled by the Rockefellers
http://www.rense.com/general13/walmart.htm

add in Tyson Foods (chicken) who control IBP meat packing and who are the single largest users of illegal immigrants in the country and destroyed the meat packers union and something smells rotten in Arkansas.

Arkansas has been a democrap stronghold for decades and the labor force one of the lowest paid in the nation, plus the school systems in that state are horrable.

now what was the funny buzz word :wink:



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17 Sep 2006, 7:01 pm

I am hung up on lazziez faire because it destroyed the economy of the city of my birth, and where I spent most of my childhood... Flint, Michigan. When the GM plant closed down for a bit there, the city went crazy. And when the economy collapsed, social order largely collapsed along with it. After all, paying American workers a living wage is just too much to ask, when you can outsource to some foreign third world hellhole and pay the workers chump change. No morals, no foresight, nothing. Just stupid rich f***s grubbing for more money.

And as I recall, it was the Democrats who most supported the autoworker's unions up there, not the Republicans....



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17 Sep 2006, 9:43 pm

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I am hung up on lazziez faire because it destroyed the economy of the city of my birth, and where I spent most of my childhood... Flint, Michigan. When the GM plant closed down for a bit there, the city went crazy. And when the economy collapsed, social order largely collapsed along with it. After all, paying American workers a living wage is just too much to ask, when you can outsource to some foreign third world hellhole and pay the workers chump change. No morals, no foresight, nothing. Just stupid rich f*** grubbing for more money.

And as I recall, it was the Democrats who most supported the autoworker's unions up there, not the Republicans....


Living in CT. I see most of the bumper stickers for democraps are on imports :twisted:

the government didn't screw the UAW, the hate america liberal news media bashed the hell out of american cars for decades.
democraps hate people who earn a decent living, so they buy imports

union workers have pensions and insurance,the democraps hate people who aren't in poverty and do everything they can to make ghetto's, those are their power base.

Pension funds invest in stocks, it's in big businesses interest to have union workers who make money to spend & invest. The democraps want everyone dependent on the crummy government.

One guy said he didn't leave the democrap party, they left him.

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U.S. Cars Slip in Durability Study


typical headline, it should say american cars take 3 of the 4 top spots

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reality is american cars beat toyote,honda & nissan and it's all based on junk surveys, like junk science

consumer reports rated my 1975 camaro bad,bad,bad and I drove it until 1990 with about 300,000 miles on it and the liberal hate america news media releases countless reports that say consumer reports says. it's all garbage reporting from JD Powers & Consumer Reports press releases who are in business to sell america cars suck to people who will buy that B/S and the liberal hate america news media passes it off like it's somehow worth reporting.

If that chart shows up I made a link to the results say a Buick rates good and someplace else a Chevy is down the botton, same deal with Mercury & Ford, the damn cars roll off the same assembly lines and are made with the same parts. Do chevy & ford grilles fall off more than buick & mercury :twisted: it's junk science, not even that, junk reporting and twisted headlines against american cars.


They built all them jap & german plants in right to work states because the jerk democraps helped get taft/hartley passed and have never done crap to repeal it. :twisted:

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17 Sep 2006, 10:03 pm

20 years ago 17 million cars where sold population around 240 million,so 7% of the population bought a new car in any given year

today 16 million new cars get sold with a population of 300 million people ,so 5% of the population buys a new car in any given year

they should be selling 21 million new cars a year

but the deregulation policies of jimmy carter removed just about every truck driver in the nation from being able to afford a new car :twisted: thats just for a start.



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18 Sep 2006, 1:46 am

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Living in CT. I see most of the bumper stickers for democraps are on imports :twisted:


There's a Toyota plant in my current state of residence (Kentucky)... are you certain those are all imports you are seeing?

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the government didn't screw the UAW, the hate america liberal news media bashed the hell out of american cars for decades.
democraps hate people who earn a decent living, so they buy imports


I think the trend of buying smaller vehicles emerged during the oil crisis of the 70's? Back then, many American vehicles were gigantic gas guzzlers... good for neither oil conservation nor the environment.

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union workers have pensions and insurance,the democraps hate people who aren't in poverty and do everything they can to make ghetto's, those are their power base.


Then explain to me how come it is that most factory workers, farmers, etc. were overwhelmingly Democratic for generations?

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Pension funds invest in stocks, it's in big businesses interest to have union workers who make money to spend & invest. The democraps want everyone dependent on the crummy government.


I trust a Democratically-run government more than I trust big business. If big business nearly succeeded in destroying the city of your birth and most of your childhood, trust me... you'd feel the same way.

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One guy said he didn't leave the democrap party, they left him.


That sort of comment is probably in reference to the changing values a great portion of the Democratic party has embraced since the 60's. Long ago, the Republicans were the party of the people of rich bastards, and the Democrats were the party of everyone else... the working people. During the 60's, every social splinter group you can think of sprang out of the woodwork... everything you can think of, from Lesbian Seperatists to Black Panthers. The democratic party rushed to include these people... to the eventual ire of many of their former members, who were being asked to accept lifestyles, values, and beliefs that many of them actively had issues with. The republicans responded by cleaning up their "rich man's party" image (ie trying to keep the worst of the money-grubbing under the table), and covering their platform with a thick veil of "Traditional Values"... the same values the old Democratic base was now bemoaning the lack of in their party... with the idea of luring these dissatisfied Democrats away.

The "Reagan Democrats"... who do you think these people were? :P

Eventually, they crystalized within the Republican party as the Religious Right.

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U.S. Cars Slip in Durability Study

typical headline, it should say american cars take 3 of the 4 top spots

reality is american cars beat toyote,honda & nissan and it's all based on junk surveys, like junk science

consumer reports rated my 1975 camaro bad,bad,bad and I drove it until 1990 with about 300,000 miles on it and the liberal hate america news media releases countless reports that say consumer reports says. it's all garbage reporting from JD Powers & Consumer Reports press releases who are in business to sell america cars suck to people who will buy that B/S and the liberal hate america news media passes it off like it's somehow worth reporting.

If that chart shows up I made a link to the results say a Buick rates good and someplace else a Chevy is down the botton, same deal with Mercury & Ford, the damn cars roll off the same assembly lines and are made with the same parts. Do chevy & ford grilles fall off more than buick & mercury :twisted: it's junk science, not even that, junk reporting and twisted headlines against american cars.


They built all them jap & german plants in right to work states because the jerk democraps helped get taft/hartley passed and have never done crap to repeal it. :twisted:

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It all depends on where the factories are. I don't care if the name "sounds" Asian or "sounds" German or "sounds" American. So long as it's American workers making them.... and as I said, my state boasts a Toyota plant, so don't pat yourself on the back quite yet. :P

I also can't help but notice that you seem to have a beef with most media sources and consider them full of "liberal hate". Let me guess, you view Fox News as unbiased, don't you? :roll:



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18 Sep 2006, 2:01 am

The liberal media.. run by conservatives.. whats wrong with this picture? :P

Me thinks I smell a rat.. and me thinks the media is being declared liberal by the media itself.. makes no sense.. unless its to discredit the conservatives enemies?

In any case a completely free market is undesirable and ultimately self desctructs from starving workers, a mass exodus of skilled workers, monopolies, etc.


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18 Sep 2006, 3:09 am

I think there is a way to end all this quarrel about liberal / conservative media, laissez-faire economics, etc ...

Since many aspies are good at visualizing concepts, try this one: Visualize a financial pie chart that is evenly distributed amongst the members of our national population. Envision it being developed with the constructs of our current financial state, such that a large percentage of people makes under $60,000 a year, and that many are in between with only a few making above a million.

What, then, do you do with people whom are aspergers, whom appear to be quite unemployable to some degree, or if they are employable, they seem to get stuck on low-end jobs. Oh, I forgot, though, since we can't get government handouts, you should really forget about SSI, also financial aid, and all sorts of things.

The idea is to find an economic platform to equalize payments into an affordable scale amongst the members of the population. This means to make attempts to evenly segregate the sectors of that financial pie you should be envisioning.

Yes, that means that someone making a million dollars is going to have to give up some of his riches. And you do this partially by instituting a reverse income tax.

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18 Sep 2006, 3:16 am

When it comes to taxes Ive always thought a flat percentage of income without an upper limit applied to all equally is most fair but can they make it that simple? Of course not.

This bracketing and obscure loopholing is the most obvious scheme to target a section of the populous to pay an unfair portion of the tax Ive ever seen.. they dont have brackets on state sales tax after all.


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There's a Toyota plant in my current state of residence (Kentucky)... are you certain those are all imports you are seeing?


Look next to the georgetown plant and you will see a rail yard full of containers, if you consider some assembly required of a car designed in japan an american car, you're entitled to you opinion. :wink: Bicycles come in boxes also and some assemply is required, it doesn't make it an american made bike

It's the usual liberal comeback if somebody leaves them an out and doesn't reffer to american cars as american NAMEPLATE cars.

All those Jap & German plants are given huge tax breaks and the democraps who claim to care about the blacks buy cars built in rural america and put blacks out of work in urban areas.

The UAW & Teamster Union Halls got a little too dark,so they democraps changed the playing feild to transfer the jobs to poor rural whites.

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I think the trend of buying smaller vehicles emerged during the oil crisis of the 70's? Back then, many American vehicles were gigantic gas guzzlers... good for neither oil conservation nor the environment


Are you refering to the Pinto or the Vega. The chevette was the top selling car in 1981

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Then explain to me how come it is that most factory workers, farmers, etc. were overwhelmingly Democratic for generations?


They actually beleived the propoganda pumped out by the democraps and most of the WW2 generation would vote for Charles Manson if he ran as a democrap over a republican after living through the depression. The simple minded morons in this country take the easy way out, they are told the democraps are for the working class & poor and they say ok and go watch a football game or sitcom on TV, end of story. They read in the paper that the republicans are for the rich and they aren't rich, so they are a democrap.

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I trust a Democratically-run government more than I trust big business. If big business nearly succeeded in destroying the city of your birth and most of your childhood, trust me... you'd feel the same way.


If GM ran adds for people to buy Honda's and funded consumers reports to trash their cars, you could claim they destroyed a city, they themselves got destroyed because of the american liberals hate towards well paid UAW members and buying jap NAMEPLATE cars.

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The "Reagan Democrats"... who do you think these people were?


people in serious pain after jimmy carter. It's a never ending cycle, people get confortable and get concerned about social problems and run the republicans out of office bacause they aren't addressing social needs and after a term or 2 the democraps have tanked the economy so bad the mushrooms run back to the republicans to save their butts from the financial disaster created by the democraps.

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It all depends on where the factories are. I don't care if the name "sounds" Asian or "sounds" German or "sounds" American. So long as it's American workers making them.... and as I said, my state boasts a Toyota plant, so don't pat yourself on the back quite yet.


I've read about the workers plight at Georgetown. 17 years it's been there

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Toyota officials tout, for example, the good pay and benefits at their Kentucky plant, but they don’t say much about their widespread use of temporary workers, who can earn as little as $8.50 an hour, with no insurance or other benefits.


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Worker Brenda Donahue told me, "I am 52 years old. I have worked there since 1989 and have $53,000 right now in my pension.

http://www.labornotes.org/archives/2004 ... les/e.html

The whole thing is really sickening.But the ignorant american consumer don't want to even think about it, just get a warm & fuzzy feeling because they want to beleive their jap junk is made by americans who have good jobs. :lol: :lol:

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I also can't help but notice that you seem to have a beef with most media sources and consider them full of "liberal hate". Let me guess, you view Fox News as unbiased, don't you?


I don't even have FOX, is that come back at the top of liberal comebacks, it seems to be included everytime I pick on the democraps on the internet :lol:

The news media is in business to make money, if people are glued to the news because they are hurting, the news media gets higher revenue from advertisers, if people are doing good and out living life, they aren't sitting home watching the news.

wall street journal & CNBC 8)

In spite of the horrable education system I figured out how to join the haves, it beats being a have not and whining. One thing we will never see on PBS is the (( Nightly Labor Report )) because Jay Rochefeller's wife is or was head of public broadcasting and the liberals don't want workers exposed to something like that or do they teach children about workers rights or offer any financial education so people will remain poor for life.

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A fair share of the pie sounds good, but how do you propose getting everyone to do their fair share of the work ?

It worked in like indian tribes, people where given jobs and required to be part of the team to get mostly an equal share of what the tribe generated, but the catch was people would be thrown out of the tribe if they didn't earn their keep.

In modern society there will always be slackers and greedy pigs and little can be done to them.

The american tribe members will trade their catch with the japaness tribe to hog more for themselves instead of sharing it with their own tribe.



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18 Sep 2006, 11:46 am

Johnnie do you even know what party your with anymore?

Replace liberal with conservative in your rant and it seems more accurate.

What really struck me was "(n)or do they teach children about workers rights".

You do realize the liberals were the ones who lobbied long and hard to CREATE workers rights, right? Same with minimum wage laws, anti-discrimination law, workmans compensation, vehicle safety laws, etc.

As for democrats "destroying the economy" you do realize that looking at the hard data rather than fuzzy logic character attacks, the national debt has only decreased during the terms of democratic presidents, right? Since most of our presidents in the past 100 years or so have been republican the US is now owned primarily by foreign countrys, namely China.

We have to do what they say or they call our debt and our country goes bankrupt (without the safety net of chapter 11 protections.. oh which are also a liberal creation).

Come back when you have more than propoganda and hate.

Having your cake, eating it too and whining the whole time about how the "evil liberals" are keeping you from having more cake is just plain undignified.


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18 Sep 2006, 1:57 pm

Johnnie wrote:
Look next to the georgetown plant and you will see a rail yard full of containers, if you consider some assembly required of a car designed in japan an american car, you're entitled to you opinion. :wink: Bicycles come in boxes also and some assemply is required, it doesn't make it an american made bike

It's the usual liberal comeback if somebody leaves them an out and doesn't reffer to american cars as american NAMEPLATE cars.

All those Jap & German plants are given huge tax breaks and the democraps who claim to care about the blacks buy cars built in rural america and put blacks out of work in urban areas.

The UAW & Teamster Union Halls got a little too dark,so they democraps changed the playing feild to transfer the jobs to poor rural whites.


One of my mother's neighbors is a supervisor at the Georgetown plant... I occasionally see him and his family around when I'm visiting my parents for the holidays. A relatively ordinary middle class family... with a daughter, and a couple dogs.

It might be hard for you to conceptualize, up in Connecticut, but this region of the country has always been economically depressed, and desperately needs such industry. The family farm is a dying way of life, and sooner or later the mountains will run out of coal.

And what are you complaining about, now? It's not like people here are adverse to working... they just need jobs that are worth a damn to work at! The more I speak to you, the more it becomes revealed that you mostly just have a set of "issues" regarding the Democratic party which have little to do with logic.

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Are you refering to the Pinto or the Vega. The chevette was the top selling car in 1981


I'm referring to the land yachts I remember as a very small child, how inefficient they were, how often people had to fill them up, and how much they made the air stink. I remember - dimly - some of my parents neighbors buying new cars... cars which I were told were foreign in make.... in case the oil crisis happened again. (And understand, this was in Flint... at the time, it seemed to be considered a social faux pas to not buy GM in specific, or more recognized American brands in general, hehe.) I remember those cars were smaller, were said to have better "gas mileage", and didn't seem to put out the amount of black smoke that other cars did. (This was back before there were many environmental restrictions on that sort of thing, remember.)

I remember it was spring at the time. I was not yet in preschool, but was the following year. On that basis, I'd peg it at 1979? I was born in 1976, we're dealing with some of the oldest entries in my memory banks, here. :P

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They actually beleived the propoganda pumped out by the democraps and most of the WW2 generation would vote for Charles Manson if he ran as a democrap over a republican after living through the depression. The simple minded morons in this country take the easy way out, they are told the democraps are for the working class & poor and they say ok and go watch a football game or sitcom on TV, end of story. They read in the paper that the republicans are for the rich and they aren't rich, so they are a democrap.


Wow, now there's an unbiased view... :roll:

Perhaps they voted Democrat because their values were more in line with the Democratic party of the day, and because the Democratic party of the day fought for their interests? Nowadays, they're sort of split, it would seem. They have to make the decision between increased economic well-being and social issues, like whether or not gays should marry. The Republican party has done little or nothing in terms of social issues for years, but play off people's prejudices.

I say, let them marry. Marriage has meant nothing in this society since the baby boomers got ahold of it. We may as well marry dustballs to pitchforks while we're at it, the whole institution has become a laughingstock.

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If GM ran adds for people to buy Honda's and funded consumers reports to trash their cars, you could claim they destroyed a city, they themselves got destroyed because of the american liberals hate towards well paid UAW members and buying jap NAMEPLATE cars.


No. The head honchos at GM destroyed it because they couldn't be content with an already over-the-top lifestyle, and had to squeeze a little more profit out by outsourcing the work. I hate to break it to you, but Democrats were not to blame for that decision. Human greed existed long before the Democratic party... long before the founding of this nation... and I suspect, long before the first human city-state raised its adobe walls skyward.

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people in serious pain after jimmy carter.


My parents were not... and yet, I remember my mother voting for Reagan for his first term. (Later, I overheard my father telling my mother that he voted for Reagan, as well.) In the voting district we were in, they used the gymnasium of the local elementary school. Coolidge Elementary School... I later went to school there.

I remember the curtains on the voting booths, designed to keep prying eyes off your decisions. The curtains were heavy, kind of scratchy, and a dark magenta in color. They just touched the top of my head at the time.... I was a lil shortie. Lol. :P

Obviously, back then I did not boast the full literacy I do now, but I had seen the names of the candidates enough to recognize them. Craning my neck upwards, I watched what she did... I was curious about everything, and I had been made to understand that one day, I would be voting like this, too.

It was Reagan she flipped the lever next to.

I started to ask her, but didn't get most of the question out... "Mommy, why did you just vote for Rea-" She shushed me immediately, and I was told that you don't talk about stuff like that... particularly not in voting places. "Yes, but why..." I asked. (For me, curiosity has always trumped most other concerns.) She gave me a dirty look, and told me that she'd say when we got home.

Well, on the way home in the car, I asked her why again. She talked about hostages... apparently in her mind, Carter had not done enough to free them. "But he's a Democrat, isn't he Mommy?" I asked. (My mother generally voted Democrat.) She said something vague about how the Democratic party often didn't think the same way about stuff that it used to. I asked for examples, and it became even more vague... how the Democratic party thinks that certain things are ok in society that she disagreed with. I asked about that, and then I got this acidic look which usually preceeded a thumping after I'd asked too many questions.

Looking back on it now, I can see... it was the social policies she was having a problem with. To their credit, neither she nor my father fell to the Religious Right later, but I understand a great deal of people in their demographic did.

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It's a never ending cycle, people get confortable and get concerned about social problems and run the republicans out of office bacause they aren't addressing social needs and after a term or 2 the democraps have tanked the economy so bad the mushrooms run back to the republicans to save their butts from the financial disaster created by the democraps.


Which of course explains why the economy was doing so well during Clinton's presidency, and the federal deficit practically disappeared.... :roll:

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I've read about the workers plight at Georgetown. 17 years it's been there

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Toyota officials tout, for example, the good pay and benefits at their Kentucky plant, but they don’t say much about their widespread use of temporary workers, who can earn as little as $8.50 an hour, with no insurance or other benefits.


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Worker Brenda Donahue told me, "I am 52 years old. I have worked there since 1989 and have $53,000 right now in my pension.

http://www.labornotes.org/archives/2004 ... les/e.html

The whole thing is really sickening.But the ignorant american consumer don't want to even think about it, just get a warm & fuzzy feeling because they want to beleive their jap junk is made by americans who have good jobs. :lol: :lol:


As little as... 8O

Honey, in this area of the country, that's a living wage, and better money than you're going to make just about anywhere outside the largest cities of the region. (Lexington, Cincinatti, etc.) I don't think you really understand how poverty-stricken this region is, and how low the cost of living is thereby.

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I don't even have FOX, is that come back at the top of liberal comebacks, it seems to be included everytime I pick on the democraps on the internet :lol:

The news media is in business to make money, if people are glued to the news because they are hurting, the news media gets higher revenue from advertisers, if people are doing good and out living life, they aren't sitting home watching the news.

wall street journal & CNBC 8)


Oh give me a break. You'd be hard pressed to find a goodly number of Americans who do not flip on the tube at some point after they get home after the end of a day's work.

When I have the time, I like watching the takes on events provided by conservative media outlets, more moderate outlets, and liberal media outlets. I find what each neglects to report as compared to the others, and all the various spins as interesting a social phenomenon as the actual story they are reporting. lol. :P

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In spite of the horrable education system I figured out how to join the haves, it beats being a have not and whining. One thing we will never see on PBS is the (( Nightly Labor Report )) because Jay Rochefeller's wife is or was head of public broadcasting and the liberals don't want workers exposed to something like that or do they teach children about workers rights or offer any financial education so people will remain poor for life.


You keep saying that it's all just some gigantic conspiracy... and you know what, you've yet to offer any proof that it is so, beyond basically saying, "I feel paranoid." I do not take feelings as fact, from you or anyone else... so you're going to have to do better than that.



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18 Sep 2006, 2:03 pm

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Johnnie do you even know what party your with anymore?

Replace liberal with conservative in your rant and it seems more accurate.

What really struck me was "(n)or do they teach children about workers rights".

You do realize the liberals were the ones who lobbied long and hard to CREATE workers rights, right? Same with minimum wage laws, anti-discrimination law, workmans compensation, vehicle safety laws, etc.

As for democrats "destroying the economy" you do realize that looking at the hard data rather than fuzzy logic character attacks, the national debt has only decreased during the terms of democratic presidents, right? Since most of our presidents in the past 100 years or so have been republican the US is now owned primarily by foreign countrys, namely China.

We have to do what they say or they call our debt and our country goes bankrupt (without the safety net of chapter 11 protections.. oh which are also a liberal creation).

Come back when you have more than propoganda and hate.

Having your cake, eating it too and whining the whole time about how the "evil liberals" are keeping you from having more cake is just plain undignified.


Agreed. 8)



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18 Sep 2006, 4:07 pm

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As for democrats "destroying the economy" you do realize that looking at the hard data rather than fuzzy logic character attacks, the national debt has only decreased during the terms of democratic presidents, right? Since most of our presidents in the past 100 years or so have been republican the US is now owned primarily by foreign countrys, namely China.


congress does the budgeting and it wasn't until Newt got to be speaker of the house that they even tried to control spending. It was the democraps who came up with the entitlement programs that people are hooked on, ponzi scam is more like it.

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html

It would take a lot of years of $200 billion dollar trade surpluses for china to own this country. Like 750 years and sinse they have a cost of production, their net profit is only a fraction of the total amount of goods they ship to this country

$250 billion of goods imported from china and say a 16% profit margine leaves them $40 billion a year to buy America, oh wait they bought $40 billion in goods from America.

I don't even know how our stupid government comes up with the numbers, for all I know is they could be counting imports at retail or wholesale prices and not at value added overseas.

When Ford builds a plant in Mexico, they ship all the knowledge about building cars to mexico is it counted as an export ?? or do they just could the retail value of the cars coming across the boarded ? The value added in mexico is only part of the cost of developement & marketing the finished product.

A better example is drugs, all the R&D & marketing that cost billions could be done in this country and the pills made in mexico, the cost to actually produce the pills is pennies, yet they might sell for $10.00 each. The value added in mexico is pennies a pill, if the knowledge about how to make the pill isn't counted as an export and the full value of the pill is counted as an import, the trade numbers will look ugly.

I don't fall for the democraps scare tactics and can see we don't even have the labor force in this country to even begin to produce all the junk we buy.

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when was that, in 1947 when they helped pass taft/hartley over the presidents veto :?:

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facts aren't propoganda and trying to get people to see the truth isn't hate, just presenting the facts. If it makes your blood boil, thats because it probably does hurt to find out you have been snookered for decades by the demo B/S

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It might be hard for you to conceptualize, up in Connecticut, but this region of the country has always been economically depressed, and desperately needs such industry. The family farm is a dying way of life, and sooner or later the mountains will run out of coal.

And what are you complaining about, now? It's not like people here are adverse to working... they just need jobs that are worth a damn to work at! The more I speak to you, the more it becomes revealed that you mostly just have a set of "issues" regarding the Democratic party which have little to do with logic.


That's the excuse I heard in trucking, the rednecks justified under cutting the union workers by crying there ain't no work back home. There used to be thousands of truck driving jobs in my county, now there are thousands of migrant rednecks in their sleeper trucks parked all over the place. Mobil homeless is about what it comes down to and they work for 1/3 of what union trucking jobs pay and many have no benifits.

All georgetown is doing is under cutting MI. workers. What happens if the jap transplants do manage to finish off the american car companies, they go head to head against each other and have a price war using their workers paychecks as ammo and there will be nothing to stop them until it gets down to minimum wage and no benifits.

The place will be full of mexicans like the meat packing towns. Toyota will insulate themselves from INS by hiring temp labor from job services.

The southern blacks got off their butts and went to MI to get good union jobs decades about, the job theives today would sooner have the government tax break piggy bank buy them jobs.

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Which of course explains why the economy was doing so well during Clinton's presidency, and the federal deficit practically disappeared....


wow you will fall for whatever they tell you :roll: a rebublican congress did it 8)



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Honey, in this area of the country, that's a living wage, and better money than you're going to make just about anywhere outside the largest cities of the region. (Lexington, Cincinatti, etc.) I don't think you really understand how poverty-stricken this region is, and how low the cost of living is thereby.


There is a Pilot truckstop right in front of the toyota plant, the railyard is on the south side of it.The northbound weight station is just north of the exit. The northbound rest area just south of it
I drove a truck for over 10 years and sort of got the picture of america.

The cost of living is about the same everyplace. Housing prices make it seem higher, but when people retire in high cost urban areas they can sell their high dollar house and move to heehawville and have a huge wad of cash left over. What's a redneck going to do, sell their double wide and move into a box ?

30 years old, yeah I didn't know much at that age either. :wink:



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18 Sep 2006, 4:31 pm

You dont seem to understand economics, how the political system works, what the parties actually do and represent and your facts are pure spin, personal opinion and regurgitated political urban myths.

Thank you for playing please try again.

Both parties serve a purpose.. the democrats ensure the government takes care of its society, the republicans ensure the government takes care of its economy.

You cant have one without the other and choosing a side is about as stupid as taking a crowbar to the engine but loving the rest of your truck.

Leaving you with a very expensive paperweight.

As a side note thats how the parties used to work at least.

These days it seems both are simply puppets to major business following no rhyme or reason other than to pander to people with money to fill their own pockets at the expense of everything they are supposed to stand for.

If your going to be angry be angry at both parties one cannot do anything without being allowed to by the other.


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Than how come things have been going downhill for the working class sinse LBJ came up with his great society scam or whatever it was ?

Union membership is lower in the private workforce decades after LBJ was going to do wonders for everyone.

There is really no more middle class, we now have the filthy rich, the highly paid yuppie types and the working poor, many who still look solvent because of dead relatives leaving them a wad.

http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/ ... ncome.html

The income gap has been widening for 30 years, thanks to Jimmy Carter and Ted kennedy busting the unions with the help of paul volcker jacking up the interest rates to 20% to put 10% of the labor force out of work so they would cut each others throats for jobs.

the democraps way of helping is to say hey that peasant has a little more than the other peasant and taking some of it away and giving it to the peasant with even less.

the republicans want the peasants that work for their money to keep their money and use it to get ahead, not take it away from them and give it to some idiot who got pregnant at 15 by some guy who is now in jail for drugs.

I volunteer do taxes at my towns senior center
one lady I delivered papers too when I was a kid dropped a bank statement in front of me and had $10,000 of interest 8O
another woman from my paper route was busted broke and selling her house to go into low income elderly housing.

the broke woman lived fancy and the lady with all the interest lived conservatively, why should the government take her money away and give it to Miss Fancy who blew her money on caddy's and living large like she would never live to 90?

all the democraps do is reward stupid behavior and punish being responsable :?:



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18 Sep 2006, 6:43 pm

So you beleive everyone gets one chance and if you screw up once or fate conspires against you and events you have no control over put you in a bad place, too bad so sad shut up and starve to death already you deserve it?

Ive never met a liberal who thinks stupidity should be rewarded but should it be punished at the cost of their lives? Half the people on earth have below average intelligence after all.

Not everything goes as planned and intentions are more important than the end result. The people you seem to pick and choose as representative of 150 million people are not exactly the best specimens.. or are you also saying that among conservatives there are no corruptable people capable of doing harmful things?

Take the blinders off already.


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