Is it alright to Smoke weed, if you have Autism?

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06 Sep 2011, 7:01 pm

wayne_da_doctor wrote:
glad it helps you whatever makes us feel better isnt weed legal in canada?

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Cannabis is currently illegal in Canada, with exceptions only for medical usage. However, the use of cannabis by the general public is broadly tolerated. The marijuana laws in Canada are currently under review as an Ontario court judge deemed the laws unconstitutional thus giving the government 90 days, as of April 13, 2011, to revamp the law. As of June 22nd, 2011, the prosecutor and federal government was granted a stay on the 90 day deadline, extending it by an additional 6 months, pushing the deadline back to November.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_o ... bis#Canada
There is a map on a different article which I found quite interesting.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... s-laws.png


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06 Sep 2011, 9:28 pm

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Helps with anxiety, but also you can get stuck in your head.

I don't think it would really improving your socializing, unless you want to socialize with potheads. Then it works great.


I get 'stuck in my head' anyways...



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06 Sep 2011, 10:35 pm

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Sounds to me like youve never done it, and have very limited experience with stoners haha. It's very much a subject thing, to be taken on a case-by-case basis. I know that it was nothing but positive for me, anyway. Personally I wouldn't listen to someone that takes such a hard line black-or-white stance against something on the basis of a few smelly low-lifes and no personal experience.


I don't need to walk under a bus to know it will make me go splat.

I know several people who use weed (including a close relative) and know from first hand experience that it causes paranoia and moodiness in all of them (not to mention the repugnant smell). There are scientific studies supporting this so it's not just anecdotal evidence.

Also consider this (specifically regarding autism): -

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There are three significant symptoms an autistic child suffers from, and these are problems in socially relating to others, qualitative impairments in communicating and restrictive repetitive, stereotyped patterns of behavior. Marijuana does not improve any of these symptoms. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, there are eleven research studies which suggest that heavy marijuana use, (defined by smoking marijuana for twenty-seven consecutive days or more,) leads to a decline in a person's ability to learn, retain information and function successfully in society. Being able to socially relate to others in diverse settings is learned behavior, so for a child who already struggles with this skill, marijuana decreases the likelihood that any progress will be made on the issue.

Furthermore, in a 1978 research study conducted by Paul Clopton and his colleagues on "marijuana and the perception of effect."The results of this study strongly suggested that consumption of marijuana significantly reduced an individual's ability to perceive emotions in others. Needless to say the ability for one person to perceive emotions in another involves empathy on the perceiver's part and for empathy to be present; communication also has to be present. Yet another reason why giving marijuana to an autistic child is a poor medical decision, as the likelihood of a child's being able to improve upon poor communication skills is significantly reduced.

Quoted from: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/pro ... dolescents



lol thats a terrible argument. do you know anything about Paul Clopton and the NIDA? rhetorical question. they are both owned and operated by the government. you may keep that in mind :)



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06 Sep 2011, 11:08 pm

ess173 wrote:
oceandrop wrote:
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Sounds to me like youve never done it, and have very limited experience with stoners haha. It's very much a subject thing, to be taken on a case-by-case basis. I know that it was nothing but positive for me, anyway. Personally I wouldn't listen to someone that takes such a hard line black-or-white stance against something on the basis of a few smelly low-lifes and no personal experience.


I don't need to walk under a bus to know it will make me go splat.

I know several people who use weed (including a close relative) and know from first hand experience that it causes paranoia and moodiness in all of them (not to mention the repugnant smell). There are scientific studies supporting this so it's not just anecdotal evidence.

Also consider this (specifically regarding autism): -

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There are three significant symptoms an autistic child suffers from, and these are problems in socially relating to others, qualitative impairments in communicating and restrictive repetitive, stereotyped patterns of behavior. Marijuana does not improve any of these symptoms. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, there are eleven research studies which suggest that heavy marijuana use, (defined by smoking marijuana for twenty-seven consecutive days or more,) leads to a decline in a person's ability to learn, retain information and function successfully in society. Being able to socially relate to others in diverse settings is learned behavior, so for a child who already struggles with this skill, marijuana decreases the likelihood that any progress will be made on the issue.

Furthermore, in a 1978 research study conducted by Paul Clopton and his colleagues on "marijuana and the perception of effect."The results of this study strongly suggested that consumption of marijuana significantly reduced an individual's ability to perceive emotions in others. Needless to say the ability for one person to perceive emotions in another involves empathy on the perceiver's part and for empathy to be present; communication also has to be present. Yet another reason why giving marijuana to an autistic child is a poor medical decision, as the likelihood of a child's being able to improve upon poor communication skills is significantly reduced.

Quoted from: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/pro ... dolescents

lol thats a terrible argument. do you know anything about Paul Clopton and the NIDA? rhetorical question. they are both owned and operated by the government. you may keep that in mind :)


Those are some kind of terrible arguments....actual studies that aren't totally biased suggest cannabis can help with certain problems someone with autism could face. Also I seem to learn, retain information ect. just fine and i have smoked more than 27 days in a row easily...try about 2 years. If anything it helps my study and I feel like I can percieve emotions better when I smoke.

Whoever came up with those arguments seems to be basing their opinion of marijuana on propaganda.



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07 Sep 2011, 6:33 pm

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Cannabis is the only thing that turns off my thoughts so I can focus. I wouldn't have gone to college orgott a good job without cannabis because my social anxiety vanishes when I'm high. I stopped my meds and have only smoked for the past 3 years. As long as you have a head on your shoulders and don't abuse it rock on... For all those who say you're gonna be a loser are just repeating what they learned in school and have no idea about the reality. You live once and if pot makes life more enjoyable do it up bro. If you can do it the legal way threw medical places but they are few and far between.
I can't agree with you more; Persons that think Marijuana smokers are bad people, have no idea.



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07 Sep 2011, 6:39 pm

CeciliaAnn wrote:
I've been told by an autistic pen-pal that smoking weed helps him relax. I'm all the more curious to try it now, as I am extremely irritable and have very bad anxiety.
Don't try it on anyone else's accord. The main thing is to know if you really want to try it out, or if your decision is being dictated by others. If the latter is true, then don't do it until you're ready. And if you choose to go ahead with trying it out, then be smart with it.



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07 Sep 2011, 6:47 pm

wayne_da_doctor wrote:
i dont think its for me but what ever floats your boat if you must be careful with weed its a powerful drug and i would be very sad if something horrbile happened to my fellow aspies
Marijuana is a powerful drug, at least according to it's potency levels. But this just means you'll get really intoxicated. And the chances are that nothing bad will happen, besides the paranoia and the risk of getting caught. Otherwise, there are no ill side effects attributed to Marijuana inhalation, or ingestion.



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07 Sep 2011, 6:52 pm

Gnonymouse wrote:
Helps with anxiety, but also you can get stuck in your head.

I don't think it would really improving your socializing, unless you want to socialize with potheads. Then it works great.
After I smoke Marijuana, Im very social. I can go and say what's up to total strangers, not to mention my sociability with the people I already know. Who I have to say, are generally not "potheads".



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07 Sep 2011, 7:07 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
ess173 wrote:
oceandrop wrote:
AtticusKane wrote:
Sounds to me like youve never done it, and have very limited experience with stoners haha. It's very much a subject thing, to be taken on a case-by-case basis. I know that it was nothing but positive for me, anyway. Personally I wouldn't listen to someone that takes such a hard line black-or-white stance against something on the basis of a few smelly low-lifes and no personal experience.


I don't need to walk under a bus to know it will make me go splat.

I know several people who use weed (including a close relative) and know from first hand experience that it causes paranoia and moodiness in all of them (not to mention the repugnant smell). There are scientific studies supporting this so it's not just anecdotal evidence.

Also consider this (specifically regarding autism): -

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There are three significant symptoms an autistic child suffers from, and these are problems in socially relating to others, qualitative impairments in communicating and restrictive repetitive, stereotyped patterns of behavior. Marijuana does not improve any of these symptoms. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, there are eleven research studies which suggest that heavy marijuana use, (defined by smoking marijuana for twenty-seven consecutive days or more,) leads to a decline in a person's ability to learn, retain information and function successfully in society. Being able to socially relate to others in diverse settings is learned behavior, so for a child who already struggles with this skill, marijuana decreases the likelihood that any progress will be made on the issue.

Furthermore, in a 1978 research study conducted by Paul Clopton and his colleagues on "marijuana and the perception of effect."The results of this study strongly suggested that consumption of marijuana significantly reduced an individual's ability to perceive emotions in others. Needless to say the ability for one person to perceive emotions in another involves empathy on the perceiver's part and for empathy to be present; communication also has to be present. Yet another reason why giving marijuana to an autistic child is a poor medical decision, as the likelihood of a child's being able to improve upon poor communication skills is significantly reduced.

Quoted from: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/pro ... dolescents

lol thats a terrible argument. do you know anything about Paul Clopton and the NIDA? rhetorical question. they are both owned and operated by the government. you may keep that in mind :)


Those are some kind of terrible arguments....actual studies that aren't totally biased suggest cannabis can help with certain problems someone with autism could face. Also I seem to learn, retain information ect. just fine and i have smoked more than 27 days in a row easily...try about 2 years. If anything it helps my study and I feel like I can percieve emotions better when I smoke.

Whoever came up with those arguments seems to be basing their opinion of marijuana on propaganda.
This is very true. The government of United States has been fighting the drug market since June 17, 1971. Which explains the reasoning behind the study from 1978. The United States was at that time deep into the Cold War, which means that any initiative taken by the government was generally backed by the Academic community, which was also dominated by the United States. And the fact that NIDA is a government run institution, only reinforces these points.



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07 Sep 2011, 7:33 pm

Here is my view on the matter.

A recent episode of the Dr. Oz show discussed medical marihuana. There was much debate about the fact that marihuana is not federally approved, nor is it produced by major pharmaceutical companies. During that very show, there were ads for various federally approved drugs, all produced by pharmaceutical companies that you were urged to ask your doctor about. During the next commercial break, there were ads from lawyers urging you to call them about suing over the use of previously released, federally approved drugs, that were produced by pharmaceutical companies.

Marihuana has been in use for 10,000 years. Point out one death directly caused by any ingestible amount of marihuana. There are none. It it one of the safest active substances known to man. One would have to consume more than one's body weight to succumb to any toxic effects.

Like any drug, natural or artificial, there are certain sensible and reasonable things not to do while under their influence. Driving is one, making an expensive purchase is another. Children should not take or be administered drugs, let alone be allowed to consume artificial colors and sweeteners!

Dr. Oz approved the use of marihuana in certain cases.



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07 Sep 2011, 9:30 pm

Gnonymouse wrote:
Helps with anxiety, but also you can get stuck in your head.
I don't think it would really improving your socializing, unless you want to socialize with potheads. Then it works great.


Aren't most autistic people somewhat "stuck in their heads"? I have some pretty intresting if not extremely funny conversation with pot heads. I have been to parties where the people were drinking alcohol and at every one of them I have gotten into fights. I have been at many parties where all they were doing was smoking cannabis. The worst thing that happened to me at one of those parties is a burnt my lip when I took a bite of hot pizza but I could just as easy blame my bad cross bite too. I have seen drunks beat up their girlfriends for saying hello to someone their boyfriend did not know. The worst thing I saw a pot head do was take a drink of my mountain dew without asking.


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08 Sep 2011, 2:47 pm

You think those video games you play are made by sober people? Only the bad marketing decisions are made by them...



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08 Sep 2011, 8:50 pm

shrox wrote:
Here is my view on the matter.


Like any drug, natural or artificial, there are certain sensible and reasonable things not to do while under their influence. Driving is one, making an expensive purchase is another. Children should not take or be administered drugs, let alone be allowed to consume artificial colors and sweeteners!

Dr. Oz approved the use of marihuana in certain cases.


Well, if he approved the use of marijuana, good for him for not being a tool of the pharmaceutical industry. Far too many doctors are just that and nothing more, and it's sad.

As for driving, I drive just fine after I smoke, but I still wouldn't really recommend it. Do it at your own discretion. Only YOU know how your body will react to things like pot. Don't let anyone else tell you how it is.



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09 Sep 2011, 1:09 am

DerStadtschutz wrote:
shrox wrote:
Here is my view on the matter.


Like any drug, natural or artificial, there are certain sensible and reasonable things not to do while under their influence. Driving is one, making an expensive purchase is another. Children should not take or be administered drugs, let alone be allowed to consume artificial colors and sweeteners!

Dr. Oz approved the use of marihuana in certain cases.


Well, if he approved the use of marijuana, good for him for not being a tool of the pharmaceutical industry. Far too many doctors are just that and nothing more, and it's sad.

As for driving, I drive just fine after I smoke, but I still wouldn't really recommend it. Do it at your own discretion. Only YOU know how your body will react to things like pot. Don't let anyone else tell you how it is.


Wouldn't recommend driving, but it sure is un-comparable to the risks of driving drunk. Completely different.

When I drive, a moderate amount of alcohol would improve my hand eye-coordination.

When I get high I drive like an old lady out of paranoia. Everything is happening so much slower, that you have to be 5 steps ahead of what could happen. It will push you your reflexes and mind so much, and I can imagine that weed in those stressful situations can maybe help in other situations as well.

For Instance, since I get really nervous in public sober, maybe if I got high and became really really nervous, paranoid and anxious and having a panic attack, and work on trying to socialize then, then sober would be a piece of cake right? Would this be a smart idea? go all out improving yourself at your absolute worst?



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11 Sep 2011, 11:20 am

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13 Sep 2011, 12:28 am

Marijuana with the right mindset can be beautiful, but it can also make you paranoid. Let me rephrase. It will bring out that paranoia that's always been within you and it will surface like never before, but if you can handle that and confront it for what it is, then mj can really help you enjoy conversation on a deeper level, appreciate things from a more objective perspective and create a bridge that allows you to appreciate nature and the world around you in a more direct manner.

My only advice is to try to only do it with best friends and good company. Setting really does make a world of difference. Don't get pulled into hanging with sh***y people just to smoke, and every serious smoke has been there, and every serious smoker regrets it.