ALGORITHMICALLY Detecting Autism From Forum Behavior

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25 Oct 2011, 9:17 pm

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Lol, if you haven't noticed, there's been no aspie like me before

Get over yourself, dude.

If one in 100 are on the spectrum and 1 in 100 of those are geniuses, then you are only 1 in 10000. There are ~6.5 billion people on this earth. That makes 650,000 people just like you.

Lol, I didn't mean to imply I'm a genius as I know I'm not.

What I meant to say is that I'm qualitatively unique among the aspies on Wrong Planet so it's possible I'm not really aspie. Of course, that's just speculation.

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25 Oct 2011, 9:26 pm

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I think that anyone who wrote the original post has to be an aspie. No NT would analyse this issue in such a way.

Lol, if you haven't noticed, there's been no aspie like me before and most NTs do have this thing called "social insight" and there *might* be some social insight in my original post so, maybe, it could've been written by an NT. An iNTp to be more exact. :lol:

Of course, maybe not. Like I'd know. (All I know is that my cognition and social/language awareness seems to be autistic.)

Im sorry, but I have been on other boards that are populated by NTs, and I have never seen topics analysed quite in the same computer-like and mechanical sense, right down to the smallest, sub-atomic components of the matter, as I have on Wrong Planet. And you are no different from many of the other aspies I have seen on this board when it comes to sheer, analytical thought.

Oh, that's because of the presiding culture. Most NTs on most forums dare not to step out of line of the forum's tempo, so to stay, so you never really see what people are actually thinking in their spare time. They usually keep those thoughts in private journals and they keep them out of sight for fear of disapproval.

The reason why you see such efforts on Wrong Planet is because people feel free to be themselves, so what people hold back on other forums, they release here. You're seeing the fullest, diverse panoply of human thought unrestrained by convention and parading in its own divine light and a blessed sight it is to behold.

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25 Oct 2011, 9:29 pm

Bluto, have you in fact already developed such an algorithm? And if so, would you mind sharing it with the class?

If not, on what basis do you assume you know who here (both in this thread, and on these forums generally) is or is not Aspie? What data grant you this astonishing level of insight?

Seems to me you're attempting to "prove" the validity of conclusions you've already reached...

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25 Oct 2011, 9:34 pm

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Lol, if you haven't noticed, there's been no aspie like me before

You feel confident that you can assess the full scope of my personality (or any else's here) simply by reading internet forum posts?

You aren't an aspie, you are a god.

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25 Oct 2011, 10:02 pm

wavefreak58 wrote:

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Lol, if you haven't noticed, there's been no aspie like me before

You feel confident that you can assess the full scope of my personality (or any else's here) simply by reading internet forum posts?

You aren't an aspie, you are a god.

Looks like he's neither. He appears to be a tiger.

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25 Oct 2011, 10:52 pm

swbluto wrote:

zen_mistress wrote:

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I think that anyone who wrote the original post has to be an aspie. No NT would analyse this issue in such a way.

Of course, maybe not. Like I'd know. (All I know is that my cognition and social/language awareness seems to be autistic.)

That is just not true. I have hung out on a variety of forums and seen the NTs there get into all sorts of arguments with each other and I have seen threads locked and personality clashes occur. It is silly to think that only Aspies will express themselves on the internet.

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25 Oct 2011, 11:05 pm

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NTs in general are reputation conscious creatures and they totally adapt to the theme of the forums they're at and, yes, personality clashes occur and threads get locked, and even though that's because they aren't afraid of expressing themselves, they just don't express certain kind of things in certain forums - If they want to express something like research thoughts, they'd go to another forum where that kind of information is more acceptable. Also, notably, Wrong Planet is a maelstrom of human thought and a harbor of diversity, so you get a diverse array of characters that you don't see anywhere else on the internet, so you do see things that you don't see anywhere else and that's not entirely because it's just aspies, it attracts everything.

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25 Oct 2011, 11:17 pm

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I have to disagree. I have not only met, worked but also interacted online with NTs who discuss issues, matters and questions to an infinite degree.

We have to be careful to make broad generalizations. While many scientists, thinkers, philosophers and artists have Aspergers, the vast majority do not.

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25 Oct 2011, 11:21 pm

swbluto wrote:

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I think there is some truth in this. Many NTs do limit themselves on specific topics of interest online because they become self conscious about their reputation or imagine how they look to the other posters if they go on too long.

Strangely I am struggling to remember anyone on Wrong Planet who I would classify as obsessed about a topic or story. Perhaps Aspies are not that much different in this regard as we all have boundaries.

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26 Oct 2011, 12:12 am

zen_mistress wrote:

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quite in the same computer-like and mechanical sense, right down to the smallest, sub-atomic components of the matter

One one side of the coin:
As already mentioned by cyberdad, you can find the deep level of thought elsewhere, they too split or dichotomise things to a level of abstraction that the imagination allows. You get many birds together, and you have topics broken down to a dehumanizing level to where free-will or the concept of it is effectively diminished to an illusion. Detail after detail, page after page of analytical thoughts in a synergy.

There isn't a difference, IQ is IQ, NT or otherwise, there is nothing more at play other than some deep ToM issues.

Side two: Yep.
The big and defining difference is the quantity and quality of the obsessive nature of these posts, that I think you are also alluding to. The vastness or the repetitive scope is not on par or NT like. This resembles or has the quality of mania as in bipolar, and not meant to be offensive to sw, but this goes way over the top for most. Possibly this could a manifestation of a special interest kick, IDK.

As far as the statement of his own self proclaimed unique status goes, yes, he takes the Crown for this in my time here-- no doubt.

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26 Oct 2011, 12:18 am

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Strangely I am struggling to remember anyone on Wrong Planet who I would classify as obsessed about a topic or story. Perhaps Aspies are not that much different in this regard as we all have boundaries.

I am obsessed about autism.

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26 Oct 2011, 12:27 am

Mdyar wrote:

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quite in the same computer-like and mechanical sense, right down to the smallest, sub-atomic components of the matter

I think this level of obsession is well within the special interest range. It doesn't seem manic to me. It seems very normal.

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26 Oct 2011, 12:35 am

Mdyar wrote:

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quite in the same computer-like and mechanical sense, right down to the smallest, sub-atomic components of the matter

It could be OCD or something like schizophrenia. I was seeing some weird things just recently.

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26 Oct 2011, 3:49 am

swbluto wrote:

wavefreak58 wrote:

But an algorithm akin to a binary search is not going to happen.

I don't need a definite "yes" or "no", I'm fine with a "ranking order" like, say, you're socialization patterns suggest you are 60% autistic or... you're less autistic than 95% of the boards!

This won't do either. The universe is much more complicated than that, especially human beings. You can't quantify attributes by percentages the same way you can't measure emotions, personal traits etc in general.

Reminds me of decision making, with many models, theories, but only one thing is sure: uncertainty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_theory

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26 Oct 2011, 5:19 am

Mirror mirror on the wall
Whose the most aspie
Of them all

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26 Oct 2011, 5:54 am

swbluto wrote:

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An NT wouldn't be nearly as popular in an autistic forum as in a normal forum.

But moog is pretty popular...

FTR I don't think I have Asperger's (hence my diagnostic status being set 'Not sure if I have it or not')

I think it would be wrong to describe myself as neurotypical though. More likely I have ADHD, sensory processing disorder, executive dysfunction, and social anxiety, elements of those of those in some ratio. None of which are very easy to detect from my forum posting alone, I guess.

I was pretty sure that I had asperger's at one point, but have since rectified that judgement. That's partly from benefiting from information found here at Wrong Planet.

I seem to be able to bring a little of the benefits of being NT, (my social skills seem to be actually fairly functional, after having spent a lot of time and effort working on them) but also able to understand (at least partly) many people's autism experiences (I wasn't always socially able, functional or popular... far from it).

Anyway, this thread isn't really about me. I just think I should probably clear this up though, since I am 'part of the furniture' here, and I don't want people to go thinking I'm an NT masquerading as an aspie, when I'm not.

I think I have been as honest as I can be about my 'diagnostic status' and if anyone wants to know more, feel free to ask me.

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