My life is a series of misunderstandings

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14 Dec 2011, 2:42 am

Mine is a series of failures, but hey, trying is winning [pain].



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14 Dec 2011, 2:43 am

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dianthus: I missed that. What was your interpretation?


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4202972.html#4202972


Cool, I've never seen that answer before. You're definitely autistic.



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14 Dec 2011, 3:14 am

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They didn't know. Both had been in trouble with the law but they could get the better of everyone they met so it wasn't a big problem. First thing that tipped me off was they had monsters in their peripheral vision but could see completely clearly out the front at whatever they were directly engaging with. Also they could effortlessly become whoever anyone wanted them to be. Very cool.


Yeah, I think BPD lends itself a lot to being a social chameleon. I've read a lot about that.



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14 Dec 2011, 4:21 am

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Actually what I was going to say is that my life is a series of humiliations. But I guess most if not all of those of those originate from misunderstandings.

For years I've had all these unanswered questions about the way things happen with other people. Like why do people get mad at me and I never really know why? Why do they get these crazy ideas about what they think I'm doing? How can a whole group of people get an idea about me that is totally wrong, and yet they all believe it and think they are right and won't hear any other possibility?

Why do people just seem to see something about me, when they don't even know me, and they automatically treat me different? Just like I am marked in some way I don't even know about.

Why do I seem to always have a different idea about what is going on than other people do? And I just have to gradually figure it out, because no one tells me, they just assume that I know.

It's been a lot of different situations, all different kinds of scenarios with people and some are too embarrassing to even mention. Really awful, humiliating experiences. I replay a lot of them in my mind still trying to figure it out.

For the first time in my life, I feel like maybe I have an answer to all the whys: Asperger's. It is the simplest explanation for why I am so clueless and all these bizarre misunderstandings happen to me.

I don't want to make any assumptions about whether or not this is really the answer so I am really trying to learn as much as I can about it and study it objectively. I am still looking for other possible explanations.

I am just wondering, does knowing the cause of the misunderstandings help anything? Does it make some of the misunderstandings go away?

I don't feel like there is even one person in the world who really gets me or knows me at all, and that is the real loneliness. It would not matter if I am surrounded by people, if none of them ever understand me.

I suggest you to read this book:

A Field Guide to Earthlings: An autistic/Asperger view of neurotypical behavior, by Ian Ford (an autistic).

http://www.afieldguidetoearthlings.com/ (read blog there)

From what you wrote I see it would definitely be a tremendous help for you to understand adversities in you social life.

How NTs think, how they communicate, what and why they communicate, what are their believes (belief web they have in their mind), what is group identity, how it maintained (and forced in communication), what is "symbolic web" (the filter of information coming in), how it is shaped during interactions, how "self" is perceived and maintained, etc etc etc.

VERY useful to understand all the stuff you have problem with, IMHO.

ADHD, AS, other ASD, whatever, it simply does not matter. It is for people with underdeveloped / weak Theory of Mind.



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14 Dec 2011, 6:57 am

My life is just one big confusion, because my question is always, ''how come it's acceptable if NTs do it but if I do the exact same thing it is unacceptable?'' And it's like that all the time. If somebody rudely butts into a conversation, people politely listen. If I butt into a conversation not so rudely, I get looks and glares. I just can't make it out and I never will for as long as I live.


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14 Dec 2011, 7:07 am

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My life is just one big confusion, because my question is always, ''how come it's acceptable if NTs do it but if I do the exact same thing it is unacceptable?'' And it's like that all the time. If somebody rudely butts into a conversation, people politely listen. If I butt into a conversation not so rudely, I get looks and glares. I just can't make it out and I never will for as long as I live.


It's called the hierarchy. It's how they work. You must have read about it on this site by now. You wouldn't understand ants without learning about the colony or bees without the hive.



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14 Dec 2011, 1:55 pm

fraac wrote:
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My life is just one big confusion, because my question is always, ''how come it's acceptable if NTs do it but if I do the exact same thing it is unacceptable?'' And it's like that all the time. If somebody rudely butts into a conversation, people politely listen. If I butt into a conversation not so rudely, I get looks and glares. I just can't make it out and I never will for as long as I live.


It's called the hierarchy. It's how they work. You must have read about it on this site by now. You wouldn't understand ants without learning about the colony or bees without the hive.


Then people wonder why I'm so miserable having AS, because I feel that everything I do is wrong and I've always got to give NTs a chance and I don't even get one chance. Yeah, life is pretty f****d up.


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14 Dec 2011, 6:10 pm

You could have a pity party! Yay!

You're young and you have more information about how the world works than 99.9999% of the people who live in it. If you can't apply yourself and get ahead...



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14 Dec 2011, 6:15 pm

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You could have a pity party! Yay!

You're young and you have more information about how the world works than 99.9999% of the people who live in it. If you can't apply yourself and get ahead...


Well it's hard to think positive when I get people laughing at me everywhere I go for.....well, for acting normal and looking presentable. It's very hard.


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14 Dec 2011, 6:20 pm

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If someone misunderstands something that someone with aspergers had tried to communication; logically it would make sense that the to person with aspergers hasn't communicated effectively. Afterall, aspergers only effects one party in communication with NTs as pointed out.


What if an NT infers something that the person with Asperger's wasn't trying to communicate at all?

I would say that Asperger's affects both parties in communication. And likewise, the other person being NT also affects both parties. The person with AS misunderstands NT communication, and the NT person misunderstands AS communication. It goes both ways.



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14 Dec 2011, 6:25 pm

dianthus wrote:
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If someone misunderstands something that someone with aspergers had tried to communication; logically it would make sense that the to person with aspergers hasn't communicated effectively. Afterall, aspergers only effects one party in communication with NTs as pointed out.


What if an NT infers something that the person with Asperger's wasn't trying to communicate at all?

I would say that Asperger's affects both parties in communication. And likewise, the other person being NT also affects both parties. The person with AS misunderstands NT communication, and the NT person misunderstands AS communication. It goes both ways.


I just don't understand why they put that on the Autistic criteria only, because NTs don't understand us as much as we don't understand NTs, so it's just a normal human trait to be misunderstanding of people who are different in any way. But they still blame it all on the Autistic people and let the NTs get away scot-free with being misunderstand and unempathetic towards Aspies.


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14 Dec 2011, 7:08 pm

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I just don't understand why they put that on the Autistic criteria only, because NTs don't understand us as much as we don't understand NTs, so it's just a normal human trait to be misunderstanding of people who are different in any way. But they still blame it all on the Autistic people and let the NTs get away scot-free with being misunderstand and unempathetic towards Aspies.


I think having double standards is a common NT trait, ie "it applies to the other group but not to myself or my own group."

I agree, it's just normal to misunderstand people who are different, everyone does it. Not just misunderstanding but it's also typical that people find fault with differences. Or maybe finding fault with it is only typical of NTs, I don't know. People think if they can just eliminate the differences, all the problems will go away. So they look for the minority, the smallest group of people with a significant difference and try to change those people, because that seems more efficient than changing a bigger group of people.

I know people misunderstand me because I'm different from them, I just want to know WHY I'm so different. If it's because of AS or something else. I know a lot of the more specific reasons why I'm different, but none of those reasons are comprehensive, and even taken all together they don't explain everything.



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14 Dec 2011, 7:58 pm

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I know people misunderstand me because I'm different from them, I just want to know WHY I'm so different. If it's because of AS or something else. I know a lot of the more specific reasons why I'm different, but none of those reasons are comprehensive, and even taken all together they don't explain everything.


You can buy oxytocin nasal spray. Try it and you'll have insight into how nonautistics see the world. It may not replicate everything (probably doesn't) but the significant differences will be instantly clear. I found this insight immensely valuable.