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29 May 2012, 10:25 am

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It's not hypothetical - it happens a lot. I lost my own job to another person who was more socially favoured by management and colleagues, some of whom actively bullied me.


Well obviously it happens, or they wouldn't be looking to save costs by getting rid of these people - people get murdered too but it doesn't mean everyone is a killer.

But it costs companies money. Companies are ruthless when it comes to money. They have to be. They still have problems and experience losses, of course, but they are always looking to make more money. Bullying costs money - in fact, that's how they pinpoint it, by looking into various costs.

Competing interests here. Employees who bully vs corporate profits. Who do you think usually wins?

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That's the thing - the world is NOT a particular way. Anything but. If it was, there wouldn't be problems. If bullying was normal, it wouldn't be a problem - it would be normal. If there was no such thing as bullying, it wouldn't exist and we wouldn't be talking about it. This is one of those things that just isn't either-or.


Bullying is a normal variation of human behaviour in my opinion. If you choose to see it as an aberration that's your choice but it's far too prevalent from my observations. Also, if it wasn't advantageous, the genes of bullies would have died out long ago as evolution tends to eliminate behaviour that isn't evolutionarily advantageous (ie so it doesn't get passed on to the next generation) So if bullying is so detrimental and useless, why is it still with us - you'd think no one would want to mate with the bullies and their genes would have reached a dead end long ago if this behaviour was so abhorrent to the average mature person.

This is a good article about the origins of bullying:-
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/gue ... -bullying/


I don't know if murder was such a disadvantage, why are there still murderers...clearly murderers have superior genes and their behavior is justified on a genetic basis or whatever.


I stated this earlier on re bullying not dying out.



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29 May 2012, 10:25 am

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Random killing is not a part of evolution. Look at other animal species. When there is violence, it is for a reason. For instance, a lion. They fight other lions for territories. The males fight other males for access to prides. The females and males hunt for food. The males use violence to protect the females. Once the lions live together within a pride with established males, they do not turn on each other and hurt each other. So, violence for the sake of violence is not beneficial for the species to thrive. It's destructive and can mean the demise of a species.
So, there is really no point to bullying within the human species. It does nothing to promote survival. In fact, it makes the people who do it look insipid. Laughable. They look like wannabe wrestlers. Is it possible to watch WWF without laughing at how ridiculous those yelling fools look?


If explained in terms of giving your genes the advantage violence and murder is perfectly logical - by killing others you have knocked their genes right out of the game!

People don't like to think in these terms though - it's too abstract and removed from reality for them and too harsh.

But there's a stop gap in favor of genetic diversity since a narrow gene pool leaves a species susceptible. This means random killing within a species is counter productive to evolution.


The random killings aren't sufficiently high to make the gene pool too narrow and also what is the definition of a random killing? Presumanly in the head of the person doign the killing there was a reason for it, if only to see what it was like to kill someone.

The evidence is all out there anyway - people get killed all the time, whether in war or via being murdered in the community and they get beaten up even more regularly. So make of it what you will. Bullying and violence seems pretty typical behaviour for humans to me but most people liek toexplain it away by saying 'Oh that person was evil/drunk/on drugs/had issues' - you name it - we don't like admitting how we are.

If you look at the entire population of the world, it is clear the vast majority of humans do not like to murder one another. The vast majority only want to live lives of peace and goodwill so they may raise their families in a nuturing environment free from violence.



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29 May 2012, 10:27 am

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I stated this earlier on re bullying not dying out.


um why did you quote me so many times?


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29 May 2012, 10:28 am

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Random killing is not a part of evolution. Look at other animal species. When there is violence, it is for a reason. For instance, a lion. They fight other lions for territories. The males fight other males for access to prides. The females and males hunt for food. The males use violence to protect the females. Once the lions live together within a pride with established males, they do not turn on each other and hurt each other. So, violence for the sake of violence is not beneficial for the species to thrive. It's destructive and can mean the demise of a species.
So, there is really no point to bullying within the human species. It does nothing to promote survival. In fact, it makes the people who do it look insipid. Laughable. They look like wannabe wrestlers. Is it possible to watch WWF without laughing at how ridiculous those yelling fools look?


If explained in terms of giving your genes the advantage violence and murder is perfectly logical - by killing others you have knocked their genes right out of the game!

People don't like to think in these terms though - it's too abstract and removed from reality for them and too harsh.

But there's a stop gap in favor of genetic diversity since a narrow gene pool leaves a species susceptible. This means random killing within a species is counter productive to evolution.


The random killings aren't sufficiently high to make the gene pool too narrow and also what is the definition of a random killing? Presumanly in the head of the person doign the killing there was a reason for it, if only to see what it was like to kill someone.

The evidence is all out there anyway - people get killed all the time, whether in war or via being murdered in the community and they get beaten up even more regularly. So make of it what you will. Bullying and violence seems pretty typical behaviour for humans to me but most people liek toexplain it away by saying 'Oh that person was evil/drunk/on drugs/had issues' - you name it - we don't like admitting how we are.

If you look at the entire population of the world, it is clear the vast majority of humans do not like to murder one another. The vast majority only want to live lives of peace and goodwill so they may raise their families in a nuturing environment free from violence.


Really?

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria - ring any bells? I'm sure the people in these countries have the same wishes as yourself but it didn't happen/isn't happening for them!



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29 May 2012, 10:30 am

nessa238 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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Random killing is not a part of evolution. Look at other animal species. When there is violence, it is for a reason. For instance, a lion. They fight other lions for territories. The males fight other males for access to prides. The females and males hunt for food. The males use violence to protect the females. Once the lions live together within a pride with established males, they do not turn on each other and hurt each other. So, violence for the sake of violence is not beneficial for the species to thrive. It's destructive and can mean the demise of a species.
So, there is really no point to bullying within the human species. It does nothing to promote survival. In fact, it makes the people who do it look insipid. Laughable. They look like wannabe wrestlers. Is it possible to watch WWF without laughing at how ridiculous those yelling fools look?


If explained in terms of giving your genes the advantage violence and murder is perfectly logical - by killing others you have knocked their genes right out of the game!

People don't like to think in these terms though - it's too abstract and removed from reality for them and too harsh.

But there's a stop gap in favor of genetic diversity since a narrow gene pool leaves a species susceptible. This means random killing within a species is counter productive to evolution.


The random killings aren't sufficiently high to make the gene pool too narrow and also what is the definition of a random killing? Presumanly in the head of the person doign the killing there was a reason for it, if only to see what it was like to kill someone.

The evidence is all out there anyway - people get killed all the time, whether in war or via being murdered in the community and they get beaten up even more regularly. So make of it what you will. Bullying and violence seems pretty typical behaviour for humans to me but most people liek toexplain it away by saying 'Oh that person was evil/drunk/on drugs/had issues' - you name it - we don't like admitting how we are.

If you look at the entire population of the world, it is clear the vast majority of humans do not like to murder one another. The vast majority only want to live lives of peace and goodwill so they may raise their families in a nuturing environment free from violence.


Really?

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria - ring any bells? I'm sure the people in these countries have the same wishes as yourself but it didn't happen/isn't happening for them!

There are billions of people in the world with population increasing every year.



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29 May 2012, 10:32 am

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I have to love the assumption that if you don't like the way of things you automatically refuse to acknowledge that it is that way, that sort of ignorance would bother me to but opposing something does not really indicate refusing to acknowledge it takes place....what is wrong with having an issue towards psychopathic behavior like bullying.? Sure it exists probably will continue to exist, but that is no reason to support it or be ok with it in my opinion. I mean in my experience even at an early age this sort of behavior is encouraged. What if at a younger age more emphasis was putting on not hurting and ostracizing the kid who 'doesn't fit in.' to weed them out or whatever it is that the result is supposed to be....maybe that would have a better result than trying to kick those who are already down.


Where did I ever say bullying was ok? You make assumptins yourself - read my posts properly.

Be against bullying by all means - most people are, all I'm doing is stating that it's inherent behaviour for many. You seem to regularly disagree with anything I say on here - you aren't bullying me are you? :twisted:


Well it seems very much like you are trying to justify it, I don't think its a matter of not reading correctly...maybe I've gotten the wrong impression. Maybe you don't care as much about it and I am just more intolerant towards bullying. Also that was just more a general comment about more than one comment,I think there were others where people indicating being strongly opposed to something means they wish to pretend it doesn't exist but yeah maybe I do suck at reading hard to say. It was always one of the few things i was good at, well suppose that had to go to hell to.


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29 May 2012, 10:32 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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I stated this earlier on re bullying not dying out.


um why did you quote me so many times?


Lol it wasn't deliberate - my computer just showed the circle thing going round like it was taking ages to submit even one post so I cancelled the submit and tried again several times.
How can the post be submitted if the timer thing never stops/the submit process never shows as complete?

I seem to be missing the 'Delete post' function as well so a moderator will need to remove the duplicate posts.



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29 May 2012, 10:34 am

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I stated this earlier on re bullying not dying out.


um why did you quote me so many times?


Lol it wasn't deliberate - my computer just showed the circle thing going round like it was taking ages to submit even one post so I cancelled the submit and tried again several times.
How can the post be submitted if the timer thing never stops/the submit process never shows as complete?

I seem to be missing the 'Delete post' function as well so a moderator will need to remove the duplicate posts.


meh, thought so, since my computer always does that.


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I have to love the assumption that if you don't like the way of things you automatically refuse to acknowledge that it is that way, that sort of ignorance would bother me to but opposing something does not really indicate refusing to acknowledge it takes place....what is wrong with having an issue towards psychopathic behavior like bullying.? Sure it exists probably will continue to exist, but that is no reason to support it or be ok with it in my opinion. I mean in my experience even at an early age this sort of behavior is encouraged. What if at a younger age more emphasis was putting on not hurting and ostracizing the kid who 'doesn't fit in.' to weed them out or whatever it is that the result is supposed to be....maybe that would have a better result than trying to kick those who are already down.


Where did I ever say bullying was ok? You make assumptins yourself - read my posts properly.

Be against bullying by all means - most people are, all I'm doing is stating that it's inherent behaviour for many. You seem to regularly disagree with anything I say on here - you aren't bullying me are you? :twisted:


Well it seems very much like you are trying to justify it, I don't think its a matter of not reading correctly...maybe I've gotten the wrong impression. Maybe you don't care as much about it and I am just more intolerant towards bullying.


I care about bullying a lot. I get bad attitudes off others a lot of the time when I leave the house - that's why I don't go out much! lol

I go through phases of either wanting to kill bullies or avoid them; can't find a happy medium.

So I care too much I'd say!

I just find it helpful to me to try and rationalise why people bully, to try and make it feel less personal.



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29 May 2012, 10:36 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
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Random killing is not a part of evolution. Look at other animal species. When there is violence, it is for a reason. For instance, a lion. They fight other lions for territories. The males fight other males for access to prides. The females and males hunt for food. The males use violence to protect the females. Once the lions live together within a pride with established males, they do not turn on each other and hurt each other. So, violence for the sake of violence is not beneficial for the species to thrive. It's destructive and can mean the demise of a species.
So, there is really no point to bullying within the human species. It does nothing to promote survival. In fact, it makes the people who do it look insipid. Laughable. They look like wannabe wrestlers. Is it possible to watch WWF without laughing at how ridiculous those yelling fools look?


If explained in terms of giving your genes the advantage violence and murder is perfectly logical - by killing others you have knocked their genes right out of the game!

People don't like to think in these terms though - it's too abstract and removed from reality for them and too harsh.

But there's a stop gap in favor of genetic diversity since a narrow gene pool leaves a species susceptible. This means random killing within a species is counter productive to evolution.


The random killings aren't sufficiently high to make the gene pool too narrow and also what is the definition of a random killing? Presumanly in the head of the person doign the killing there was a reason for it, if only to see what it was like to kill someone.

The evidence is all out there anyway - people get killed all the time, whether in war or via being murdered in the community and they get beaten up even more regularly. So make of it what you will. Bullying and violence seems pretty typical behaviour for humans to me but most people liek toexplain it away by saying 'Oh that person was evil/drunk/on drugs/had issues' - you name it - we don't like admitting how we are.

If you look at the entire population of the world, it is clear the vast majority of humans do not like to murder one another. The vast majority only want to live lives of peace and goodwill so they may raise their families in a nuturing environment free from violence.


Really?

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria - ring any bells? I'm sure the people in these countries have the same wishes as yourself but it didn't happen/isn't happening for them!

There are billions of people in the world with population increasing every year.


Dare I say "And?" or "Your point being?"

I know I'm going to regret it either way....



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29 May 2012, 11:07 am

My point being violence is not the norm, but yes, it occurs.