Is Your 2nd Toe As Long Or Longer Than Your Big Toe?

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Thank you Soliloquist!! I had downloaded that a while back and even read some of it but evidently did not see the 2nd toe in the chart. It is interesting that this paper does not mention Neanderthals.

To me it's even more interesting that, in spite of these findings, Neanderthal is not mentioned in official documents as a possible explanation of Autism...?

Well on my right foot, my 2nd toe is slightly longer than my big toe, but my 2nd toe is the same length as my big toe on my left foot. Then again, I was born with deformed feet and toes.

The most convincing evidence of Neanderthal theory is that gene sequencing revealed that Neanderthal and modern humans very likely interbred and some of the genes are related to autism. There are still other ways the genes may have evolved or mutated, but the Neanderthal theory is quite convincing.

This doesn't mean Aspies are Neanderthals, most people have Neanderthal genes, but they are expressed more in autism spectrum people, arguably too much in cases of severe autism.

Hi Moondust. I think it is in part due to the fact that scientists are often afraid to mention anything that might be considered by some as "fringe" science and/or socially controversial. I think the latter has impeded the discussion of this topic on boards like this one as well. Easy for people to misinterpret and become overly sensitive. Luckily, I think the tide has turned on this topic and we'll be seeing a much more open discussion as more genetics is released.

To address your question regarding Morton's toe on Greek statues (and not as much on Egyptian ones, although even some of these copied the Greek), I have wondered about that myself but can't seem to find anything that specially addresses this on the internet. Of course, it is often mentioned this trait is associated with Gods and royalty but I haven't found a good reference that discusses WHY this is so. I have spent time looking for which Proto-Indo-Europeans were most closely related to the Neanderthals for clues but it gets very complicated and full of conjecture because the genetics really aren't fully worked out yet and there is no written language for many of these cultures. We're left with how the Greeks viewed them which has proven to be as misleading as how we viewed the Neanderthals in the 1800's and 1900's.

I have read that the early "Celts" (which may have arisen from the Basques... but this is not thought by all) spoke an extinct language that was similar to the Basque language. The Celt tribes and Germanic tribes mixed extensively and absorbed each other's culture quite easily and extensively. The Greeks mixed with these at various times.

Of course, many believe that the Basques are more Cro-Mag than any other Proto-Indo-Europeans and it is intriguing to think that the early Basques (which had an extensive range) could have mixed significantly with the Neanderthals.

I wish I knew more about Greek mythology. I'm sure there are clues there.

Robert Dole: I see you have posted a screenshot of one of my posts in this thread with a tagline: "Wrongplanet is catching on."

I would like to point out that there has been extensive discussion of the Neanderthal theory on this board for a very long time. Just check the archives.

Thank you, anomy. I find all this fascinating. Especially that LFA could be the expression of a certain stage in development when hominids (?) weren't as developed as modern humans in certain aspects. Absolutely fascinating.

Nope, my big toe is longer. The digit ratio thing also doesn't apply to me. OMG I IS NOT ASPIE!!1!

My bf, (suspected aspie) also doesn't have it, and he's part Irish, part Jewish. I have some Irish ancestry somewhere, but probably more Anglo Saxon and Italian.

The neanderthal genes listed on slide 13 are worth more research:
ai.stanford.edu/~serafim/CS374_2010_fall/.../lecture3.pdf

I'm trying to figure out if one of these causes Morton's Toe and if that is linked to the genes they are saying is associated with autism.

SRD5A1 and AR genes are also associated with autism.

One lecture I watched on YouTube suggested that even though people from different parts of the world (except Africa) inherited an average of 3% of the genome from Neanderthals, different regions inherited DIFFERENT GENES potentially. So Asians may have different neanderthal genes than Europeans.