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18 Jul 2012, 2:37 pm

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Sweetleaf, I always say that the cure for AS is having a millionaire father. Then you're not disordered, you're not fired, you're not rejected, people just judge you as "justifiably eccentric".


True that.

There are some jobs that AS people can do, depending on where they are. But, the NT's in the world (who are selling out and slaving away to get their money) see the world through that lens of hateful jealousy toward anyone not being forced to make their choice. And these are your customers.
I've had a variety of jobs in different fields, including artisan type fields like woodwork and vintage motorcycle mechanics.
There are jobs out there. I think the key is to not get drawn into the retail trap. If you do that, it skews your perspective for work and what work is. It also, as seen here, short circuits your ability to take pride in anything.
Bosses will make a wide berth for you in their organization if you have a position where you can use your problem solving skills, attention to detail, and high quality standards to their benefit turning out good product for customers.
You have to find that job.

If I could work in a beer brewery, animal shelter(that does not kill the unsold animals or whatever), medical marijuana industry or somehow get into the more underground music industry as in deal with bands/music I like on my own time and have time to relax when I need to I suppose there are some things I could contribute to that i am intrested in......But the trouble is no one wants someone working for them that cannot keep up with the normal work load and needs to take time off whenever they get too on edge or whatever to function. And hell they wont even let me into the retail trap........also I don't know how good my problem solving skills or attention to detail is, though I do admit I like quality.


If you spend 12 hours a day on the internet, the only thing you are cultivating is a short attention span. You're not learning to fix things, carve wood, sculpt stone, weld, be a plumber, be an electronics whiz, or a lot of other jobs you could be good at doing.

True...and I can actually do some labor type work and not to badly either, I may be a bit slow at those things but I can do them...that is typically not my issue in jobs its more not being able to live up to 'all' the expectations.

I'm pursuing a graduate degree right now, and I'm having to take an English class. 2 weeks ago I had to give an oral presentation (my weak spot) that made me so anxious that I didn't show up for class for a week. Today, I made myself voluteer to have work read in front of the class and critiqued because I know it's what I need.

Be scared. It's okay. But, be scared while you put one foot in front of another, even if you piss yourself doing it. That's how people on the spectrum have done it in years past and even today when they don't have the luxury of rich fathers or lotto jackpots.

I hope this doesn't come across more insensitive than I want it to, because I don't mean it that way. I do that a lot.


Also its not about being scared its about If I over-do it and put myself in environments that set me off I'll have a bloody mental breakdown...and I'd prefer not to wake up in a mental institution having nurses trying to stick me with needles to calm me down because I just couldn't handle the real world. Ok so fine I guess there is some fear involved......but its also an overwhelming feeling of what is even the point if I am already screwed up I mean if I cannot enjoy life due to feeling too dead inside it just seems pointless as well.


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18 Jul 2012, 2:41 pm

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Have you tried online college? There are plenty of fields in which a degree from even an iffy online college is worth just as much as one from an average traditional school because of how much isn't book learnable.


And I would pay for that how? I am already in college loan debt and if something happens to my dad before he can pay me back its likely I will be 81$ in credit card debt since I bought some things for him including gas. He was out of cash and so since he will do everything to pay me back I agreed but thing is sometimes he runs into some obstacles I suppose you could say......I mean usually nothing happens but I over-stress about things anyways.

Also I am kind of a visual learner so I am not sure how well online college would work....and from what I hear it takes just as much time and energy as regular college for the most part other than not having to leave the house.


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18 Jul 2012, 2:56 pm

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beer brewery

ASS PIE'S MICROBREWERY GOGOGOGO.

You don't have to name it that, but that's self employment with lots of pieces parts to get involved in and real potential, especially if you live in the right area. You could work with other friends/aspies who could help pull together knowledge, ideas, and start up costs.

Also, I just suggested online college because the campus environment is apparently a serious source of anxiety relating to the issue.

You just need to find something you care about and move past this f***ed in the head mentality. Anyone who can maintain a dialogue of this lucidity is not too far gone to do something great. You just have to find something you care about enough to seriously dedicate to.


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18 Jul 2012, 2:59 pm

craft brewing, vintage machine mechanics, vintage furniture repair... all these things generally come with the expectation that the NT's will darn well wait on the eccentric person to complete the task in their own good time.

The shop I worked at kept a guy's prized motorcycle for nearly 2 years before he came in and got all bejiggity, and then only because he saw no one had even begun to work on it. When I began working on it, he mellowed out and would come by for weekly progress reports that tapered off to "call me when it's done."

People will exercise patience if you can deliver something very few others can. Not only that, but it will become a bragging right that you're working on their bike, brew, furniture, metal sculpture, or whatever. They'll proudly proclaim how long it took and be happy to pay you.
My tattoo guy has an unheard of waiting list of 6 months to a year. He charges a more than market value fee. But his work is world class.

That is the key to it, I've found. I have combat related PTSD, so I get what you mean about overdoing it and snapping a neuron or three.

Take one of your interests that keeps popping up over years, whatever they may be, and find a niche you'd excel at.
The pressure is much less when you look at something and say "Yeah, I got this." than "oh crap, I hope I can do that!"

It does, however, take years to pay your dues and develop that level of skill.
But then you can tell people to get lost if you don't like their attitude or all the noise they bring into your space/life. Which is very nice.



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18 Jul 2012, 3:04 pm

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beer brewery

ASS PIE'S MICROBREWERY GOGOGOGO.

You don't have to name it that, but that's self employment with lots of pieces parts to get involved in and real potential, especially if you live in the right area. You could work with other friends/aspies who could help pull together knowledge, ideas, and start up costs.

Also, I just suggested online college because the campus environment is apparently a serious source of anxiety relating to the issue.

You just need to find something you care about and move past this f***ed in the head mentality. Anyone who can maintain a dialogue of this lucidity is not too far gone to do something great. You just have to find something you care about enough to seriously dedicate to.


I meant like work at one with someone else as the employer.......I don't have enough friends or any with any knowledge of business management or finances and I fail at math and get too confused and overwhelmed even by simple money management. So yeah not sure how I would even begin with something like that.....I am not very motivated or determined because over-all things feel pretty pointless. Also its not a 'mentality' I literally have trouble functioning because of my rather severe mental issues. Also I don't even really care about myself and I feel freaking dead inside.....so where is this drive to seriously dedicate myself to something supposed to come from my former self that's dead?

I know this sounds pessimistic, but sometimes its possible to become so burnt out you can't come back from it....I mean I'd settle for contributing what I can to something but I can't handle a lot of stress really it seems so trying to start and run my own buisiness would probably be more likely to send me into a mental breakdown than down some path of success. Unless there is some miracle drug that makes one uneffected by stress and I can find someone to do the management and finance stuff for me, I don't see self employment happening. But any drug like that is probably addictive as hell.


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18 Jul 2012, 3:32 pm

You start with google and/or barnes and noble. Depending on where you live, you may be able to pretty easily meet people interested in starting something as cool as a microbrewery, especially approaching it from the idea of eschewing the traditional work world to bring strange, even disabled, but highly capable people together to make really great beer. People get excited about beer.

As for someone to do your finances, you could probably find someone on here who struggles as much as you in a traditional workplace who could do a small business' finances while bleeding out from a gunshot wound. =P

And I know you struggle because of your psychological issues. That's why most of us are here. That does not, however, make you useless. I know what it's like to feel dead inside. I'm currently living in my chain smoking father in law's living room with his mean, senile mother in law who bounces back and forth between accusing my wife and I of insane things (like having sex on the futon in front of her!! !!) and crying because she had no reason to blame us for things she never even told us she was blaming us for after moving across the country for a job I didn't get during a serious falling out with my parents who are a bigger psychological mess than you and I put together (if only on the principle of their denial being less healthy than accepting your problems). My brain on and off does feel like it's dying because I have no sense of an acceptable grounding in life. My psychological state of constant thin ice maintenance does not resemble the psychological state of living. But, when I get a good night's sleep and don't have to deal with my parents trying to hurt me to save their own self image, I make myself turn out 1000 words in something I'm writing. Because the only way to get out of a mental and life place this bad is to keep some degree of momentum going. You'll never feel enough better to take bigger steps, if you don't fight through some of the worst to create some sort of momentum. If you can create a momentum, the drive will come because it feels good to do something meaningful. You just have to look to the potential of the future instead of the past. We are alive. The past is dead. For living things, there is only the present and the future and potential.


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18 Jul 2012, 4:18 pm

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You start with google and/or barnes and noble. Depending on where you live, you may be able to pretty easily meet people interested in starting something as cool as a microbrewery, especially approaching it from the idea of eschewing the traditional work world to bring strange, even disabled, but highly capable people together to make really great beer. People get excited about beer.

As for someone to do your finances, you could probably find someone on here who struggles as much as you in a traditional workplace who could do a small business' finances while bleeding out from a gunshot wound. =P

Yeah I am not very good at initiating things or getting people together....I can participate to the best of my ability when included or invited, but I don't have any leadership skills really. I am kind of better for occasional input about better ideas and slowly but surely getting the work done not running the damn thing. I mean that almost sounds like it would be more stressful than having a kid to raise which I doubt I could do either. I mean maybe I could keep my eyes out for people trying to start things like that and inquire about being included but I couldn't deal with a leadership role.

And I know you struggle because of your psychological issues. That's why most of us are here. That does not, however, make you useless. I know what it's like to feel dead inside. I'm currently living in my chain smoking father in law's living room with his mean, senile mother in law who bounces back and forth between accusing my wife and I of insane things (like having sex on the futon in front of her!! !!) and crying because she had no reason to blame us for things she never even told us she was blaming us for after moving across the country for a job I didn't get during a serious falling out with my parents who are a bigger psychological mess than you and I put together (if only on the principle of their denial being less healthy than accepting your problems). My brain on and off does feel like it's dying because I have no sense of an acceptable grounding in life. My psychological state of constant thin ice maintenance does not resemble the psychological state of living. But, when I get a good night's sleep and don't have to deal with my parents trying to hurt me to save their own self image, I make myself turn out 1000 words in something I'm writing. Because the only way to get out of a mental and life place this bad is to keep some degree of momentum going. You'll never feel enough better to take bigger steps, if you don't fight through some of the worst to create some sort of momentum. If you can create a momentum, the drive will come because it feels good to do something meaningful. You just have to look to the potential of the future instead of the past. We are alive. The past is dead. For living things, there is only the present and the future and potential.



And I have been there done that with trying to push myself 'just a little harder' all it does is burn me out more when I fail. Also it felt good to do meaningful things before I had PTSD now I only experience a mere shadow of that feeling which only brings me pain because I can remember how it felt before but can't feel it. I mean that was one of the few things I had to help cope with the problems I had before that was I could immerse myself into things I felt passionate about but after all that happened I just can't concentrate on any of that and when I am able to its overshadowed by how I feel. I mean sometimes I can get close to that sort of passion with drugs but most people look down on needing drugs to function and or improve how things feel in general. And no offense but what future? I feel dead with the past and if there is only the present and future why wont the past ever leave me alone? I cannot even get a good nights sleep anymore even if I am somewhere peaceful. Meh I don't know it seems I never was part of the 'real world' and now I am even further from it or maybe my real world is just a different one.


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