OMG extremely nice book
Kenjitsuka wrote:
Paxfilosoof, again sorry for the confusion earlier.
This is a bad and scary thing indeed. I think however that they do this a) unconsciously for the most part and b) that they only do this out of fear.
Because they fear what they don't know, and the only thing they do know is how they act and how they think.
So I think the NT is just manipulating everyone as best as he can to be more like himself, not just ASD people but as many NT's as well.
I think this is covered in the book after Scene 6 or 7.
Is this a metaphore?
Because you can only detect autism after being one year old, no? So I don't think people would get an abortion because of "autism", because I don't think it's possible to detect before birth?
About the book:
I am not done yet, and I do find some concepts baffling. This probably means it is accurate, because I think that about many NT thinking and interactions in real life as well.
I had some good discussion with the NT who helps me with practical matters, about what I had read so far.
She said "Yes, those are all bad things NT's tend to do. That's why I love working with ASD people so much, they are honest and fair and don't care about status etc.".
Quote:
I'm really scared about the neurotypicals who always want to change other people (many neurotypicals want to do that).
This is a bad and scary thing indeed. I think however that they do this a) unconsciously for the most part and b) that they only do this out of fear.
Because they fear what they don't know, and the only thing they do know is how they act and how they think.
So I think the NT is just manipulating everyone as best as he can to be more like himself, not just ASD people but as many NT's as well.
I think this is covered in the book after Scene 6 or 7.
Quote:
It's like the abortion porblem. First people only abort people who'll suffer very much. Later people abort because they've a child what the parents percieve as a defective child(influenced by society). Isn't it very sad, parents are now starting to hate their autistic child and prevent it by abortion, instead of just trying to understand why the autistic child is doing something. It starts with A. and it ends with Z.
Is this a metaphore?
Because you can only detect autism after being one year old, no? So I don't think people would get an abortion because of "autism", because I don't think it's possible to detect before birth?
About the book:
I am not done yet, and I do find some concepts baffling. This probably means it is accurate, because I think that about many NT thinking and interactions in real life as well.
I had some good discussion with the NT who helps me with practical matters, about what I had read so far.
She said "Yes, those are all bad things NT's tend to do. That's why I love working with ASD people so much, they are honest and fair and don't care about status etc.".
no problem

it was metaphore, but when a prenetal test come, it will be possible.
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SabreToothBadger wrote:
Kenjitsuka, I'm not having a go at you, but everyone is entitled to an opinion. There's no need to attack someone who disgrees with you.
We've all been brought up in different ways, and have had different experiences. You don't know the experiences of the others' here. For all you know they could have been attacked by NTs for all their lives. Probably most people here have. Although it is wrong to place the blame on NTs, sometimes it's very hard when it's mostly up to the aspie to come across as friendly. Only every now and again do you find an NT who is willing to accept someone for who they are. I'm not attacking NTs by saying this - it's a fact of life for many of us that we have to put on a front, in order not to "creep" people out, or push people away, lose jobs etc. It's upsetting and stressful and affects us everyday. It is why we have a disorder in the first place. We shouldn't blame NTs, but we shouldn't blame ourselves either. It should be a 50/50 situation, but sadly it's not.
And, paxfilosoof wasn't even attacking NTs. S/he was just saying to try to talk to people who are similar to you, and to those who don't accept you, it's OK. I disagree that NTs are trying to control people with the label of "autism" too, but instead of attacking and using sarcasm, why not debate?
We've all been brought up in different ways, and have had different experiences. You don't know the experiences of the others' here. For all you know they could have been attacked by NTs for all their lives. Probably most people here have. Although it is wrong to place the blame on NTs, sometimes it's very hard when it's mostly up to the aspie to come across as friendly. Only every now and again do you find an NT who is willing to accept someone for who they are. I'm not attacking NTs by saying this - it's a fact of life for many of us that we have to put on a front, in order not to "creep" people out, or push people away, lose jobs etc. It's upsetting and stressful and affects us everyday. It is why we have a disorder in the first place. We shouldn't blame NTs, but we shouldn't blame ourselves either. It should be a 50/50 situation, but sadly it's not.
And, paxfilosoof wasn't even attacking NTs. S/he was just saying to try to talk to people who are similar to you, and to those who don't accept you, it's OK. I disagree that NTs are trying to control people with the label of "autism" too, but instead of attacking and using sarcasm, why not debate?
Are you replying to something that was said in another thread?
If not, I am confused (again)...
I'd write more, but until I know which post you are referencing I'm unsure what exactly to say.
Anyway, of course people are entitled to their opinions...
And then you discuss them with people on forums, at least, that's what I think people want when they post on forums.
They want to defend their position, and are open to listening to critique...
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Empathy quotient: 14
Your Aspie score: 185 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 14 of 200
The Broad Autism Phenotype Test: You scored 132 aloof, 126 rigid and 132 pragmatic. IQ: 139. AQ: 45/50
Kenjitsuka wrote:
SabreToothBadger wrote:
Kenjitsuka, I'm not having a go at you, but everyone is entitled to an opinion. There's no need to attack someone who disgrees with you.
We've all been brought up in different ways, and have had different experiences. You don't know the experiences of the others' here. For all you know they could have been attacked by NTs for all their lives. Probably most people here have. Although it is wrong to place the blame on NTs, sometimes it's very hard when it's mostly up to the aspie to come across as friendly. Only every now and again do you find an NT who is willing to accept someone for who they are. I'm not attacking NTs by saying this - it's a fact of life for many of us that we have to put on a front, in order not to "creep" people out, or push people away, lose jobs etc. It's upsetting and stressful and affects us everyday. It is why we have a disorder in the first place. We shouldn't blame NTs, but we shouldn't blame ourselves either. It should be a 50/50 situation, but sadly it's not.
And, paxfilosoof wasn't even attacking NTs. S/he was just saying to try to talk to people who are similar to you, and to those who don't accept you, it's OK. I disagree that NTs are trying to control people with the label of "autism" too, but instead of attacking and using sarcasm, why not debate?
We've all been brought up in different ways, and have had different experiences. You don't know the experiences of the others' here. For all you know they could have been attacked by NTs for all their lives. Probably most people here have. Although it is wrong to place the blame on NTs, sometimes it's very hard when it's mostly up to the aspie to come across as friendly. Only every now and again do you find an NT who is willing to accept someone for who they are. I'm not attacking NTs by saying this - it's a fact of life for many of us that we have to put on a front, in order not to "creep" people out, or push people away, lose jobs etc. It's upsetting and stressful and affects us everyday. It is why we have a disorder in the first place. We shouldn't blame NTs, but we shouldn't blame ourselves either. It should be a 50/50 situation, but sadly it's not.
And, paxfilosoof wasn't even attacking NTs. S/he was just saying to try to talk to people who are similar to you, and to those who don't accept you, it's OK. I disagree that NTs are trying to control people with the label of "autism" too, but instead of attacking and using sarcasm, why not debate?
Are you replying to something that was said in another thread?
If not, I am confused (again)...
I'd write more, but until I know which post you are referencing I'm unsure what exactly to say.
Anyway, of course people are entitled to their opinions...
And then you discuss them with people on forums, at least, that's what I think people want when they post on forums.
They want to defend their position, and are open to listening to critique...
No it was just in this thread I think, but don't worry

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