What do you think of the self-diagnosed?

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Your opinion of the self-diagnosed on WP?
I believe them, they have the ability of self-examination. 70%  70%  [ 50 ]
They have some other psych disorder(s), but not AS. 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
They are NTs who want to have a neat sounding diagnosis. 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
They are tadpoles, just one step above the "not sures." 23%  23%  [ 16 ]
Only the clinically diagnosed belong on WP. 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 71

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28 Dec 2006, 12:27 pm

I dunno... everyone should be welcome here, whether diagnosed or not, but it depends greatly whether the person has AS or some other label. Self-diagnosis is reliable since the person knows himself/herself better than anyone else, but there are many labels out there, and it's possible they might have something else, or AS + something else.



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28 Dec 2006, 12:36 pm

I voted for the "tadpole" option although to be honest I kinda wasn't sure which one to vote for. I was kinda in between the "I believe them" and "tadpole" options. I certainly think anyone should be able to join WP.

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What I find amusing is the idea that a professional diagnosis is more reliable than a self diagnosis. Maybe in a perfect world, it would be, but the world we live in, if the psychiatrist/ologist tells you you have a disorder, they can then sell you all kinds of meds, and/or bring you back for more costly "treatment". I believe that in many cases, what we have here is the medicalisation of personality. I'm sure there are some genuine cases of Autistic Spectrum Disorders, but I strongly doubt the frequency is anywhere near as high as is claimed.


I think I am going to have to disagree with most of the members on this topic. If whatever the condition you have is causing problems in your life, and you decide to self-diagnosis without getting the opinion of a specialist, it lends yourself less credibility. This isn't to say you don't have it. It is possible for a person to think they are something they are not however. There is a physiological aspect to that. Wrongplanet is a place that has a "club" atmosphere. There is something liberating about being somewhere where we feel you belong after a long search. But liberation by itself doesn't mean you have found your true self necessarily.



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28 Dec 2006, 12:54 pm

I am currently self diagnosed
I will eventualy get a proper diagnosis
but I have only come to suspect As recently and need time to built up
the confidence to do so.



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28 Dec 2006, 1:00 pm

DerekD_Goldfish wrote:
I am currently self diagnosed
I will eventualy get a proper diagnosis
but I have only come to suspect As recently and need time to built up
the confidence to do so.


This is entirely understandable. I went through the same process. I wish you the best of luck. I don't know if you have any support but if you do lean on them and if you don't try to seek some out. That can be hard in it self, but it can make the process easier.



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28 Dec 2006, 1:08 pm

jimservo wrote:
DerekD_Goldfish wrote:
I am currently self diagnosed
I will eventualy get a proper diagnosis
but I have only come to suspect As recently and need time to built up
the confidence to do so.


This is entirely understandable. I went through the same process. I wish you the best of luck. I don't know if you have any support but if you do lean on them and if you don't try to seek some out. That can be hard in it self, but it can make the process easier.


well I havent told anyone yet
I find it dificult talking to people about personal issues
my family/friends would probably be suportive if I told them
but doing so is a big step
I do expect to take it sometime but im not sure when.



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28 Dec 2006, 1:35 pm

Derek I think you are on the right track so hang in there. It took me about 6 months before I would even consider talking to anyone about suspecting I have AS. It really does help to know the truth. Also it helps if you can find local Aspies to get to know. This online forum is okay for cold boring winter days, but I tell you it can't beat talking in person to another living breathing Aspie. Alot of people on here complain how lonely they are or how they can't get a girlfriend, but if they would go to local meetings they might solve both those problems. There are new groups springing up all the time even in rural towns.



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28 Dec 2006, 2:23 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
I notice somebody on this list assuming they have not set there profile to hide they are online voted only the clinically dx should be allowed on WP.

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DX males online during vote (n=14)
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almarzhm
space
Deutha
Tequila
animeboy
logitechdog
veresae
Unknown
TheBladeRoden
Gamester
stevek
headphase
Tim_Tex
dimensionaltraveler

DX females online during vote (n=8 )
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lkonantz
mummadisaster
Ticker
goomba
bizarre
CockneyRebel
tinky
krex

Other autism spectrum female(n=1)
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KimJ

Other autism spectrum male(n=1)
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Nexus

The scum below (including myself the voter wants removed)

Self DX female(n=1)
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LRKirsch

Self DX males (n=4)
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computerlove
who_am_i
Zenmiester
fuzzy

Not sure female(n=1)
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Louise

Not sure male(n=1)
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TheMachine1

No data at this time(n=14)
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jyossarian
bluebandit
Phantasmagoric
Stoke
aspieduck
Njwlss
pixygiggles
Paula
emere
sao309
Aardvark
asperion
s1lenze
Beta-guy


Allow me to take a moment to admire themachine1's obsessiveness :D :D :D :D :D :D :D.

I voted "I believe them," though sometimes I think option two is a possibility for some people, both diagnosed and self-diagnosed. I sometimes think I have schizotypal personality disorder, or some severe variant of social anxiety.

TM1: I could be wrong, but I don't think people can hide themselves from the online now list on the homepage; they can just hide their presence in the actual forums.


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28 Dec 2006, 2:24 pm

I am fascinated that 20% selected "tadpole!"


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28 Dec 2006, 2:44 pm

I selected the "They are tadpoles, just one step above the "not sures." " as the other's did not fit although the doctor does start asking you question's about what you think you have they take it up and start to explore the possible outcomes & if you have a look at one of these disorder book's you will end up been lost….

Would you diagnose yourself as having liver damage? Or something like that – I can point out to machine why my opinion is this way – if he left out he self dx then seek a doctors opinion then I think he left that out…



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28 Dec 2006, 3:25 pm

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Would you diagnose yourself as having liver damage?…

I would if I was a chronic alcoholic.


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28 Dec 2006, 3:42 pm

logitechdog wrote:
Would you diagnose yourself as having liver damage? Or something like that – I can point out to machine why my opinion is this way – if he left out he self dx then seek a doctors opinion then I think he left that out…


I have successfully diagnosed myself with medical problems, when going to a dr was fruitless. I did research both online and in books at the library.


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28 Dec 2006, 3:53 pm

A lot depends on your age as well,where a proper diagnosis should really take into account what happened in childhood. The problem for those like me,self diagnosed at 47
is that there's not much chance of my doctor finding teachers and contemporaries from my school 35 years ago who will remember my behaviour. A psychologist interviewed me at school but in those days nobody had heard of Asperger's. I know better than anyone else all the symptoms I had in childhood,right down to the AS 'walk' (without swinging the arms). I didn't display the same symptoms at home so my parents didn't know the full story.
I only concluded I have AS after reading hundreds of pages on it as well as other similar disorders. I would never have self-diagnosed based only on checking the diagnostic criteria as they are too vague without going into more background. I haven't ruled out getting an official dx but in my case I have to consider whether that ordeal would actually interrupt the progress I'm making in coming to terms with and adapting
to the realisation that the symptoms fit me.



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28 Dec 2006, 4:05 pm

medical problems - don’t really say what type as it could be - Allergies & the Immune System, Arthritis & Rheumatologic Conditions, Asthma, Bones & Muscles, Brain & Nervous System, Cancer & Tumors, Digestive System, Ears, Nose, Throat/Speech, & Hearing, Endocrine Glands, Growth, & Diabetes, Genetic, Chromosomal, & Metabolic Conditions, Heart & Blood Vessels, Kidney & Urinary System, Learning Disorders, Lungs & Respiratory System, Sexual & Reproductive System, Sleep Disorders, Body Basics..

& fruitless…

Was that after you went back and said I diagnosed myself with this so on – they don’t really have a go at you if you do your own research & that just if you keep coming wanting treatment for this and that and do the test’s and comes back negative…

Not questing you just wondering…

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28 Dec 2006, 4:07 pm

For the record, the information to make a diagnosis is available to everyone. Doctors do NOT have access to secret reading material on the subject. The only thing a doctor has over any of us is 'experience' in dealing with various people, however, some of us have more experience then we think. Everyday, I go to work (or used to be school) and I cannot relate to anyone. Instead, I study them; all of them. I end up watching their behaviour. I can tell how trusting they are, how much they talk, if they are shy or outgoing, if they are athletic, smart, or motivated. I can learn their interests simply by observing them. You can learn many things by watching them and listening to them.

We all have this ability, the only thing a doctor does is apply it as a full time job.

I had alopecia last year. I HAD to make a diagnosis myself because the medical community in Canada is all goofed up and a trip to the dermatologist would (and was) have been a 6 month wait. What if I died during that time? I studied everything I could on 'reasons why I'd lose my hair' and realized it was alopecia. It took a bit of time to realize WHAT severity I had, but even a doctor couldn't tell me that until some time had passed.

I was right about alopecia, and even more so, the doctors told me nothing I couldn't (or didn't) find out on my own.

Again, I suffered with heartburn for 3-4 years. Doctors couldn't tell me what it was. Stress? Bad sphincter that didnt close and separate my stomach from my throat (Grampa had that)? Didn't know. Only guesses and assumptions. But doctors deal with this all the time! Well, turns out it was most likely stress/anxiety. They were right but only as a guess and they didn't inform me of how to best deal with it. Medications didnt work (only stopped the problem as it happened but didn't prevent it (well, one medication did; it only cost over 100 a month)). Telling me to "relax" wasn't enough to fix my problem. Some meditation later, heartburn is gone.

Self Awareness is something you gain through the 'self' and no doctor can give that to you. This is something one must find out on their own. Maybe better worded - realize on their own.

I should add - Dont get me wrong, go to the doctors but when it comes to some things, a second opinion is always good. :!:



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28 Dec 2006, 5:15 pm

Corvus wrote:
For the record, the information to make a diagnosis is available to everyone. Doctors do NOT have access to secret reading material on the subject. The only thing a doctor has over any of us is 'experience' in dealing with various people, however, some of us have more experience then we think.


Doctors do also have an objective viewpoint, which is very important. The people saying that "no-one knows you better than you know yourself" is not true in my experience. I find that very few people actually "know" themselves.

The other side of the "objective viewpoint" is knowing what's normal and what's not. I see people posting things all the time on here that they think is "strange" or proof of their aspie-ness when it's really totally normal and is something that most kids do.



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28 Dec 2006, 5:21 pm

Corvus wrote:
For the record, the information to make a diagnosis is available to everyone. Doctors do NOT have access to secret reading material on the subject. The only thing a doctor has over any of us is 'experience' in dealing with various people, however, some of us have more experience then we think.


Doctors do also have an objective viewpoint, which is very important. The people saying that "no-one knows you better than you know yourself" is not true in my experience. I find that very few people actually "know" themselves.

The other side of the "objective viewpoint" is knowing what's normal and what's not. I see people posting things all the time on here that they think is "strange" or proof of their aspie-ness when it's really totally normal and is something that most kids do.