Why so much negativity?

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Yes, I think it would be a good idea. It would probably be most helpful to the people who would post in/think about what to post in it, because it would encourage them to focus more on the positive, and on what they actively did to bring good things into their lives (going with the above suggestion that posters should include the *how* along with the *what*).

I ask, I never receive an answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFEY9RIRJA

Crap happens, thats life. I've been through my fair share of pain and I'm sure that more is in the post, but I can't help but be an optimist. Maybe it's because I still am somewhat of a child at heart, but I WANT to believe that while there may be some exceptions that the world is a good and nice place. The one thing that I wish everyone on here would remember is that you're only as happy as you allow yourself to be.

Huh??? How is this logically possible?

You're a pessimist. I wouldn't expect you to get it.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt206352.html
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No, it is that you subscribe yourself to a belief system that I don't grasp nor understand. My disposition has nothing to do with it. What I've written may shed some light.

Besides, by claiming optimism as your part of your belief system are you not a pessimist yourself?

No.
I've read your writing. I cannot post my opinions on here because I would likely be accused of being a big meanie pants, or something along those lines and get flamed.
I'm not in the mood to argue with you. Stop pushing the matter.

I will stop pushing it and leave you alone.

Let this be known you're one of many who refuse to let your beliefs be questioned or examined or examine opposing beliefs and have any rationale discussion about them.

Actually, having read your posts, the problem you may have is that your writing style isn't that of someone asking a question or seeking information, but something akin to a manifesto of fact, as you see the world. You aren't asking a question, you're stating your opinion. You might get more useful information if you perhaps think through and decide what information you're trying to gain.

Once you've done that, phrase it as a question, and try not to be too defensive when someone gives you what they see as an answer. most Aspies dislike confrontation, so if your post suggests that you're spoiling for an argument rather than honestly seeking information, many people here will shy away from it.

You may want to make your posts a little shorter and more to the point as well. I read through them, and although they're well written and arranged, grammatically accurate and well referenced, the point you're trying to make seems to get a little lost in the sheer volume of text.

Please don't think I'm having a go at you, I'm not. You asked openly on this thread for a critique, and that's simply my opinion. What you do with it is up to you

Given the poll results so far, I made a topic in the site suggestions forum regarding this. The topic is here :-

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5232142.html#5232142


Guess I just have to wait and see what the mods say now

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Okay, I see. I guess my style of obtaining information is different than both NTs and Aspies. My style is I offer an argument. I am an interculator. Someone refutes my argument with something that counters it that makes sense. It could be that I have erroneous premises or I lack a premise. If I see something wrong with the counter argument I counter back. I do this with other people back and forth until I and the other people involved have a better understanding. I use a form of a Socratic dialogue. Why am I wrong for doing this? I don't understand.




In critical thinking and logic one is supposed to put forth an argument or a counter-argument. Why am I wrong for doing this? I don't understand.

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If you do not mind, will you give me an example of how to do this?

Thanks for your compliments.



I believe in getting to more sound conclusions and better truths. I do not think you're having a go at me. You're helping me to do this by refuting certain premises I do have. What I do not understand is why my premises to my method of obtaining information is wrong? Will you please provide an argument as to why I am wrong?

I've made my comments to your suggestions for your new sub-forum.

I know you didn't say all that wasn't trying to imply you did. I just thought you meant you thought there was a lot of negativity because you where looking at The Haven....but then realized its not the case with the whole site, guess I completely misunderstood. And what I meant by my comment was, I understand why you might have gotten that impression if it was The Haven specifically you where looking at.

I don't consider myself to be a pessimist, but your logic doesn't make sense. How can you allow yourself to be anything when the chemicals in your brain are screwed up? I'm sure so many depressed, bullied, or stressed (etc) individuals would love to know how to allow themselves to be happy. Could you maybe expand on your statement?

Actually I can see what RawSugar is getting at here, and I see your point kamiyu910. I think the communication have gotten a little tangled though.... I'm going to have a stab at unravelling it.

If you are in the grips of clinical depression, a positive attitude is most likely impossible to achieve. I haven't had it myself, but someone close to me did and it took a while to get through it. That person is under normal circumstances a very positive soul, so it was disconcerting and deeply scarey to say the least to see how down they were and how bleak thier view of everything was for a while. Those imbalances probably have to be addressed before a truly positive attitude is possible.

However, if you aren't like that, then your personal outlook has a HUGE effect on how things are viewed in your life.

If you are negative in attitude, small setbacks become large in your mind. You dwell on every tiny slight by others or your own screwups. You blame the rest of the world for your problems, refuse to listen to or attempt to understand those "damned happy bouncy people", you always expect the worst and convince yourself that anyone who is happy is living a lie.

If you are a positive type, you don't worry about the small stuff. You take responsibility for your own actions and understand that how your life pans out is mostly up to you. You own it. You change it. If you hate your situation, you look for ways to improve it. You keep trying.

I should add that these or NOT statements of fact or attacks on anyone, they're simply my opinion. It most certainly is not my intent to offend anyone. Just my tuppence worth.

Why not try to remove personal outlook as much as possible to how things are viewed? Why not try to obtain objective truth? If I'm wrong on something like what I said on the other thread then I ask, please show me. If you make a sound or cogent argument I will listen.



Again, I do not understand. Why wouldn't one dwell on these things to figure out what went wrong, grow from it, and logically understand it? Maybe he could use the data and bring it to other situations or relay this info to others?



Therein lies the crux of the issue. If one does something wrong it should be possible to sit down and analyze it with them. How is it possible for one to take responsibility for one's own actions if he doesn't know what actions are right or wrong and doesn't know why? For me, if I know what I did wrong and why it was wrong I can own up to it. Just because the world says something is true does not mean it is. http://www.theparableteller.com/2010/08 ... -well.html

IMHO, for the sense of responsibility to exist transparency has to exist as well which means it has to be teach-able, derivable and free from contradiction.



Well, I don't agree and gave you my premises.

I have no idea how to do that. I know from past experience though that my outlook is what defines my personality and how I cope with life. When I adhered to a negative veiw, things often turned terrible. However, once I had made the decision to try and switch to thinking positively, my life improved. That's all I have to go on.



There's analysing and evaluating, and then there's dwelling too much. If you spend all your time worrying about what went wrong in the past you're going to harm both your present and future. Too much introspection is as bad as not doing any at all. Yes, try and work out what went wrong. But don't let that process rob you of the joy you could be having simply by being outside and enjoying the sunshine.



I guess you need to speak to the person who says you did something wrong. Or post a thread on the forums describing what happened and see if anyone else has any insight as to what you did wrong.

In all honesty I have no clue what you're getting at in that last sentence. And just for the record, I never claimed to be an expert in psychology or in the study of positive thinking. I just thought it would be nice to have somewhere devoted to the happy Aspies.



Fair enough.