How many self-diagnosed Aspies actually have it?

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05 Mar 2013, 2:40 pm

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Also, if you don't want to get diagnosed just realize that it becomes more challenging the older you get to get an accurate diagnosis, should ever one day in the future you change your mind. Because people's memories fail and make it harder to establish an objective personal history.


Do people really forget most of their life that commonly, maybe that is why mental health professionals always have a rather amazed reaction when I talk about my past in detail and can remember lots of specifics. But then again maybe I'm just crazy and have no idea how my life has gone, maybe all my memories are false.......there is no way of knowing I suppose.


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05 Mar 2013, 2:51 pm

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Do people really forget most of their life that commonly, maybe that is why mental health professionals always have a rather amazed reaction when I talk about my past in detail and can remember lots of specifics. But then again maybe I'm just crazy and have no idea how my life has gone, maybe all my memories are false.......there is no way of knowing I suppose.


I have not forgotten a lot of things from my childhood, but my mother certainly has. I guess all that alcohol finally destroyed the majority of her working brain cells. To make an accurate diagnosis, they weigh quite a bit on early childhood development.

I am always surprised by people who don't remember much from their earlier years. My husband is one of those oddballs who said he really couldn't remember much about his childhood.



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05 Mar 2013, 3:30 pm

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NTs can have those traits, yes. What requires a diagnosis isn't that you have them, but that you have them to such a degree that there is some sort of impairment. A doctor won't diagnose anything if there aren't any problems related to those traits, nor should they do so--eccentricity is not the same thing as pathology.


The doc who Dx'd me said the AS was probably worse when I was a kid but that I outgrew many of the problems, and now deal with parts of the diagnosis that interferes with my parenting and some job-related stuff. Certainly is not debilitating as it once was, but the depression and eating disorders as a result of feeling inadequate and fundamentally flawed and lonely certainly were debilitating problems.
This is one of the reasons I advocate the "sub-clinical" category for the autism spectrum. These are cases which don't cause significant impairment but are still a factor in the personality. Perhaps the diagnosis was lost in childhood (some children with mild AS will "grow out of it"). Perhaps the symptoms are there but just not strong enough to cause trouble by themselves. However, combined with other things or in the larger scope of psychological treatment, subclinical ASDs should be noted on a person's record. Even though by themselves they do not need treatment, they are a major factor in a person's life.

I am of the opinion that if a self-diagnosis is incorrect, the most likely alternative is sub-clinical ASD plus some sort of life stress or another psychological disorder. The person is in distress, sees ASD symptoms, and figures that ASD is the explanation. They're not too far off the truth but it's important not to assume that because you have an ASD you can't possibly have any other problems. Most people with ASDs have at least one comorbid.


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05 Mar 2013, 3:48 pm

I have read that the majority of people who self-identify as having AS actually don't. I don't know where I read that, but I am sure many people who think they have it don't.



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05 Mar 2013, 4:06 pm

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For the record, you don't "get a piece of paper" like an *Asperger's Diploma* when you get diagnosed. All you do is get a psychiatrist's bill that has a diagnosis code on it that you submit to your insurance company.


Actually, I received written reports that state my diagnosis, my symptoms and further information on my person/behaviour. A few things that might be relevant to other psychiatrists or to GPs, therapists, (special ed) teachers and that are required for trying to apply for a pass for severely handicapped (well, old people whose ability to walk slowly falters also get these so "severely handicapped" has multiple meanings) or for an ASD therapy (not usually supported by insurances companies here) or even to apply for... what do they call it in the US or the UK when people require care officially?

Trying to get any of that by just proving that a person has, for example, "F84.0" or "299.00" usually doesn't work because the code doesn't prove that a person needs a certain "something". The reasoning behind that, besides reducing costs, I guess, is that one person with an ASD might have fewer, more or completely different needs than another person with the same spectrum diagnosis has.

Also, having that report means that in Germany, you don't necessarily need to undergo a possibly expensive of time-consuming testing again at a new mental health professional's place.

The report is mostly made up of a description on your current and, if such reliable information was available during testing, past autistic symptoms. The report should make note of ways you try to adapt or fail to adapt with consideration of the circumstances you live(d) in, whether or not you have co-morbid disorder and what other differential diagnoses such as schizophrenia were ruled out when you got tested for the ASD.

Anyway, that's how it's done where I live but it might be quite different elsewhere.

Even here, the more lazy diagnosticians get away with ridiculously short reports that don't tell much. Some diagnosticians also try to withhold them but that has never happened to me.

Yeah, it's not a Diploma but it is a piece of paper. One with really sensitive information.


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05 Mar 2013, 4:14 pm

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I have read that the majority of people who self-identify as having AS actually don't. I don't know where I read that, but I am sure many people who think they have it don't.
Without a good source, you could have read that anywhere--some random person's opinion, no research involved. I think it'd be smart of you to try to find out where you heard that so you can decide properly whether or not to believe it.


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05 Mar 2013, 4:24 pm

Callista- I am looking right now! :D



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05 Mar 2013, 5:10 pm

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I have read that the majority of people who self-identify as having AS actually don't. I don't know where I read that, but I am sure many people who think they have it don't.



I'm intrigued about this - is this a generational thing ? because noone I have met ( and they are mostly above 30 these days - ever has self-diagnosed with it... )

Also I would really like to see where you got this particular info from - was it in a journal?
Because otherwise it does read as anecdotal?



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05 Mar 2013, 5:44 pm

Well, there is a German diagnostician who is apparently well-known and who outright criticises neurodiversity, says that adults self-diagnose hastily and based only on Internet tests and that autism isn't a way of being and that it's psychiatric and not biological.

But he also wrote that parents of children around age 1-2 despair/are devastated and try to get help because "nothing's the way it should be" and that this is because the children don't react to attempts to communicate with them, don't desire physical closeness and don't do activities together with their parents.

Trying to illustrate the severity of a disorder by the degree of despair of a child's parents rubs me the wrong way.


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05 Mar 2013, 6:10 pm

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According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, "poseur" means "a person who pretends to be what he or she is not" or "an affected or insincere person". It also defines "affectation" as "the act of taking on or displaying an attitude or mode of behavior not natural to oneself or not genuinely felt".

Attaching any invalid label to one's self to justify affecting an attitude of arrogance and entitlement - not to mention using the label as a "Free Pass" to throw tantrums and behave like a jerk - is being a poseur.

It's like pretending to be a celebrity's best friend just to get special treatment from waiters, club bouncers, and barely legal party girls - sooner or later, the affectation is going to backfire, and the person pretending to be someone he isn't is going to get burned.


And what, pray tell, does THAT have to do with self-diagnosis? :huh:

What you've written would apply to someone who is pretending to have an ASD, not to someone who is genuinely convinced that they have one - even if they're wrong.



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05 Mar 2013, 6:48 pm

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Well, there is a German diagnostician who is apparently well-known and who outright criticises neurodiversity, says that adults self-diagnose hastily and based only on Internet tests and that autism isn't a way of being and that it's psychiatric and not biological.

But he also wrote that parents of children around age 1-2 despair/are devastated and try to get help because "nothing's the way it should be" and that this is because the children don't react to attempts to communicate with them, don't desire physical closeness and don't do activities together with their parents.

Trying to illustrate the severity of a disorder by the degree of despair of a child's parents rubs me the wrong way.


I've noticed this too. I was led to believe that some children for no reason just develop a bit slower than children their age. I read somewhere that someone had listed their childs symptoms and I am not an expert in any way; but some of those symptoms could be the sign of anything. In fact, one of the symptoms was hypersensitivity to light. I mentioned to my consultant that I have issues with bright lights and was told that some people have this issue; but there's nothing medically wrong with them.

I wonder how much of some of the issues their child has, is just a personality thing? I mean, you have some people who don't like hugs, etc. But does that mean there's something wrong? Of course it doesn't. I can understand the parent being worried if for example, by the age of two, their child isn't talking, and there's no obvious reason (such as a hearing impairment) for this.



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05 Mar 2013, 9:24 pm

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There is nobody dictating what you should do. And there is no hierarchy of superiority in the different paths chosen.


mikassyna, when i was a child, AS was not as well known as it is now, there was no established support system and no resources that i knew of. autism was known, but it was connected to that "rain man" movie and all the baggage that contained. my childhood was before the internet age, so connecting to groups and finding information was much more difficult. i was just dismissed as simply being a strange nerdy recluse, but i could still generally function in the school system so there was no big reason to do anything. in fact i excelled in the school system. so being reclusive and nerdy was no problem to anyone. my parents were not concerned. in fact my dad teased me. what a guy! and my mom just bought me books because it made me happy.

i was basically totally alone in dealing with this condition. so thats why i took an independent self-made approach to deal with it. that was a couple of decades ago, and still today i have a strong sense of independence and lone wolf mentality in dealing with this condition, which i now know the name of. i am wondering if my strong desire to handle this issue by myself is itself not a part of AS?

AshConverse wrote:
"If I get an official diagnosis, then what?"
- better learn how to deal with the things I have problems with
- then I could start a road of family understanding how I think and why I have issues about/with some things.
- go to a support group and/or meet and make friends with the same thing

"Get a prescription, counseling? I hate drugs and refuse to be enslaved by them,"
- I understand that some people don't like prescriptions. I do appreciate them and the fact that they can help me and make me feel happier and more at ease with everyday things that normal people don't have issues with.

" I don't like spilling my life out to strangers (But internet is ok because i remain anonymous)"
- I am the same way exactly. I hope that if and when it comes time that I will be able to get myself to speak...


AshConverse, i really like the clear and concise way you presented that. it is all very valid and excellent advice for people dealing with AS today. if i had known that decades ago, i may have taken a different approach than what i did.

if i ever get an official diagnosis, it would be just to get a second opinion to be thorough. but i am already quite convinced by the first opinion, my opinion.



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06 Mar 2013, 1:49 am

Wandering_Stranger wrote:
Sora wrote:
Well, there is a German diagnostician who is apparently well-known and who outright criticises neurodiversity, says that adults self-diagnose hastily and based only on Internet tests and that autism isn't a way of being and that it's psychiatric and not biological.

But he also wrote that parents of children around age 1-2 despair/are devastated and try to get help because "nothing's the way it should be" and that this is because the children don't react to attempts to communicate with them, don't desire physical closeness and don't do activities together with their parents.

Trying to illustrate the severity of a disorder by the degree of despair of a child's parents rubs me the wrong way.


I've noticed this too. I was led to believe that some children for no reason just develop a bit slower than children their age. I read somewhere that someone had listed their childs symptoms and I am not an expert in any way; but some of those symptoms could be the sign of anything. In fact, one of the symptoms was hypersensitivity to light. I mentioned to my consultant that I have issues with bright lights and was told that some people have this issue; but there's nothing medically wrong with them.

I wonder how much of some of the issues their child has, is just a personality thing? I mean, you have some people who don't like hugs, etc. But does that mean there's something wrong? Of course it doesn't. I can understand the parent being worried if for example, by the age of two, their child isn't talking, and there's no obvious reason (such as a hearing impairment) for this.



I have also noticed online that parents seem to freak out and think autism if their child isn't do what other kids are doing or if they do certain things and to me it's all normal. I think they're freaking out for no reason and parents need to accept their kids and stop comparing them to others and worrying about autism. If it's that obvious, get them tested but if they seem normal and no one has ever showed concerns nor doctors leave it be.


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12 Nov 2013, 1:57 am

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There are a lot of annoying people who use a self diagnosis as an excuse to be obnoxious. Used to know a few. It wasn't until I met an actual aspie that I realized that I might have it.


Dude I am also facing the same problem so decided to have a proper check-up.