School gives AS girl razor deliberately to self-harm

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It appears to be a special school, so it's most likely that the individual in question is/was receiving counseling to some extent -- it very well may be something that can't be "controlled" in regards to doing or not, so giving it a controlled environment whilst away from home seems prudent.

It appears to be a special school, so it's most likely that the individual in question is/was receiving counseling to some extent -- it very well may be something that can't be "controlled" in regards to doing or not, so giving it a controlled environment whilst away from home seems prudent.

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It appears to be a special school, so it's most likely that the individual in question is/was receiving counseling to some extent -- it very well may be something that can't be "controlled" in regards to doing or not, so giving it a controlled environment whilst away from home seems prudent.

Thank you for your honesty about over eating. Binge eating, and over eating are also categories in Eating Disorders. Indulging youself with a lot of food in order to feel better can be potentially harmful if you have heart issues, diabetes, blood pressure, numerous list of problems that can occur with over eating. I had a friend on the eating ward who was in for over eating.
When people get stressed they eat and thus over indulge themselves in food. It could lead to so many health problems... plus its a waste of money eating for 5 when there are people starving out there that are homeless (and no not anorexics).

You called anorexics and cutters "self indulgant" earlier yet that seems to be your thing as well, just a different method.
So i wouldn't say necessarily that you have developed better coping mechanisms when you'd end up on an eating ward along with anorexics and bulemics and binge eaters and overeaters. It's all a form of coping mechanisms.

Your probably into your church, perhaps they support you in various ways? Not everyone has the supports in different areas needed. Some may not have family support. Some may have family support and use a support group. Some may use church and friends for support.
Some may have no support, perhaps it is those with less or no support that may need more help i don't know.... something to think about..

Can you really control how much you are eating? If you are over indulging gluttony in food in order to deal with stress, it can also hurt you just like anorexia and bulemia can or cutting.

What are your coping methods that you believe have worked for you?
Honestly if your coping method is over eating i doubt your willpower is stronger or your coping methods necessarily better than one who doesn't eat or cuts. The only difference is the action IE: eating, cutting, not eating

I'm not sure which people or what site you refer to as in eating disorders or cutting being Fads as you call it, i've not ever dealt with those sites. Who invited you to join their club for anorexics? That is ridiculous and those are likely the few that are attention seekers.
You can't lump all people together. It has been years since i've been anorexic many years and i never went online about it. What sites are you refering to where they invited you as that sounds odd..

Do you judge them harshly as you feel people such as they have judged you harshly?
I don't think that any eating disorder or cutting is normalized. There is still stigma attached to those who suffer from mental illnesses and cut or may have an eating disorder. The only thing i can think of that would attempt to "brainwash" people is Mary kate Ashley or other celebs that go make a fuss about it. This is really the fault of society and the media making womens' image thin.

Most people who are true cutters are embarrassed and don't want others to know. They hide their cuts and scars. One of my close friends was. She got a lot of tattoos to cover some. So this is not attention seeking behavior by all of them. Either they are embarrassed or don't want people getting involved out of concern.

Judge people by who they are as individuals, not a whole group.

Also consider everyone is different. My friend is a cutter and bulemic. She was raped twice.
See you how you fare after those type of events not to mention a couple years back her mother who was very supportive died of cancer.

So sometimes life events can affects peoples mental illnesses and prognosis.

Do have a problem with thin people or cutters? Why such distaste towards them?
They may have had event in their lives that are horrible. Maybe they don't have the support we have to perservere.
I don't think this has anything to do with your coping mechisms or willpower that you claim is stronger than others.

It may have to do with your life being better or not having as many traumatic events as others', it could have to do with the amount of support you have from friends family your church etc. So many variables.

Yet to judge others so harshly and all in one group is sad. Especially if you take the time to actually get to know a variety of them (as i did on the ward twice) you would know all the background info etc i wish i could telepath it, too much to type and it's really their private business. Different people = different outcomes.

It appears to be a special school, so it's most likely that the individual in question is/was receiving counseling to some extent -- it very well may be something that can't be "controlled" in regards to doing or not, so giving it a controlled environment whilst away from home seems prudent.

I'm not sure about cutting or eating disorders being a fad, when i was young it wasn't like that. To some degree there is stigma attached and people are embarrassed and try to hide it. This i know for fact as i have seen it.

Now to say that your coping mechanisms are better and your willpower is stronger... that's just a difference of opinion we'll have.
Over eating can lead to many many health problems heart attacks, anuerisms, diabetes, so many different problems linked to obesity.
Truly if one had strong willpower & coping skills they would be excercising making natural feel good chemicals for the brain. Instead of over eating, cutting, not eating, or being bulemic.

The only difference is the method. You may think yours better than others, yet it can still lead you to health problems.

When judging individuals, not everyone may have had as good a past of childhood as you; they might not have the support you have.
My friend who is a bulemic cutter has been raped twice and her mother who was her greatest supporter just passed of cancer a couple years ago.

So there are many variables factored in.

I don't see how cutting or anorexia is a true fad. People on the net will make a fad out of anything, if someone invited you to a group i would decline the invitation if its that cutting or anorexic group you mentioned.

Society has normalized thin women via mass media, however i don't see that eating disorders or cutting has been normalized. Theres still stigma attached to those for people.

So i wouldn't judge

Lol I am certainly not eating for five! I don't have a problem with eating that needs it's own DSM-V entry as most people seem to need these days It's not a clinical problem that will need medical healp, I jsut need to cut down on calorie intake and take more exercise which I am already doing

We don't all have to end up in the hospital with out problems some of us are responsible enough to deal with them by ourselves!

You keep bringing my religion into it but I don't even attend a church!

I have no massive support structure, just the person I live with and a friend I email - that's about it on a daily basis. Whereas you seem to have multiple friends.

It's the nature of the friends that makes the difference in my opinion ie are they discouraging the harmful behaviour or not?
If all you do is talk about the last time you self-harmed/over-ate or purges, it's not exactly going to encourage a change in mindset is it?

Why are the cutters embarrassed? Probably because the people they have chosen to mix with are judgemental types ie not the best people to be associating with.

People bring all this on themselves by wanting to mix with the 'cool' crowd and then feeling too much pressure to conform.

I've never been cool, never been in with any form of in-crowd hence far less pressure to conform

Plenty of pressure off strangers when I go out the house yes but I don't know these people and logically don't care what they think. Peers/the people you mix with socially are completely different though - they have far more influence over a person's behaviour.

Not sure about these days, but when I was in school in the '70s and '80s it was not cool to cut yourself. I was a cutter from grade 8 up until about 3 years ago. No one in school ever knew I cut myself. If they happened to notice a mark I would come up with an excuse for it. Maybe these days there is some sort of "coolness" to this, but I fail to see it. I think it is a sign that the "self destruct" button has been pushed and the person needs help.
If people are cutting themselves to be accepted by a group, that is pretty silly; but I guess kids have done stupider stuff.
I think the idea of accepting this behaviour as a normal form of acting out is not a good idea. Well-adjusted people don't hurt themselves. Enabling self harm is giving up on the person.

Because this myth gets circulated so frequently, here's some information that debunks the notion that self harm is a form of attention seeking:

http://www.mind.org.uk/mental_health_a- ... _self-harm

I don't "cut," but I've been known to self-injure during meltdowns.

It's not really a conscious choice.

Yeah, I used to do some self injurious things either due to stimming or meltdown. I didn't do it for attention and I usually hid it from people. The last thing I want is attention.

I haven't had it happen frequently, at least. It's not something I'm driven to do, at least nothing more severe than, say, hitting my legs or something.

You're telling us all about it now though

So? I post about many things on this forum I won't discuss with anyone in a face to face environment, as do many others.

Why wouldn't you discuss it with your Dr or someone from the mental health service?

Why not with your friends or family?

If it's something causing you a problem why not use the proper channels to get it sorted out?

I've come pretty far being able to discuss as much as I have in therapy. It takes time. I don't know when/if I'll be able to bring up everything relevant.

As far as friends and family, I just don't. I expect disclosing would result in fuss and worry over something that is relatively mild, and the worst of it (which was never very bad) was decades ago.