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20 Jan 2007, 5:56 am

This Boston herald article is calling the person that defended himself a "misfit that has AS"

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegio ... eid=178138

Now that really pisses me off.

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20 Jan 2007, 6:09 am

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articl ... d_trouble/

this seem to indicate that the killer was likely the bully

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20 Jan 2007, 6:11 am

TheMachine1 wrote:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/01/20/slain_teenager_recalled_as_good_student_who_avoided_trouble/

this seem to indicate that the killer was likely the bully

Most bullies I have known know how to act normal and nice in front of most people, but then when its just you and them the persons true colors come out. The kid got what he deserved, IMO.

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20 Jan 2007, 6:18 am

I'm not sure how to interpret this. Is there really any evidence that he was bullied, and especially that he was bullied by this particular guy?

To me this seems to be a dangerous person that should indeed be sent to prison for his actions. We cannot defend these crazy, violent-loving Aspies even if they are "our kind". Having AS is not an excuse for murdering people, and it pisses me of that newspapers are reporting it like that.

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20 Jan 2007, 6:23 am

rdos wrote:

Yeah just like the Unibomber is thought to have ASD. But he was a
murdering thug. Though strangely if you think AI is going to take over he was kinda right, but AI take over is unstoppable.

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20 Jan 2007, 7:29 am

KenM wrote:

Most bullies I have known know how to act normal and nice in front of most people, but then when its just you and them the persons true colors come out. The kid got what he deserved, IMO.

I agree with you that bullies should "get what they deserve", but murdering them isn't the solution. I wouldn't mind if they get a broken nose or whatever, but murder is wrong.

Besides, I don't think you should sympathize too much with this guy unless you know something others here don't. It doesn't seem like he killed because of bullying, but because he had a fixation on weapons and killings. This is hardly defensible.

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20 Jan 2007, 7:35 am

KenM wrote:

Most bullies I have known know how to act normal and nice in front of most people, but then when its just you and them the persons true colors come out. The kid got what he deserved, IMO.

Disturbing thing to say. No one deserves death. And again, there's been no evidence yet that the murdered boy tormented his murderer. I also live very close to to this incident and have followed it in numerous outlets. I have yet to see what you have seen. You seem to have judged this whole case already.

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20 Jan 2007, 9:02 am

KenM wrote:

This Boston herald article is calling the person that defended himself a "misfit that has AS"

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegio ... eid=178138

Now that really pisses me off.

Why would you read the Boston Herald? That's the way that paper is. Try the Globe.

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20 Jan 2007, 9:09 am

I sent the following email to WBZ1030 (news radio, wbz1030.com):

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As a 62-year-old with Asperger's Syndrome, I want to suggest a possible scenario for this crime:

If there is one thing that happens to almost all young people with Asperger's Syndrome, it is being bullied. We are the odd ones, usually more intelligent than the average, but with no clue as to how to interact with others. You've probably encountered Asperger's sufferers yourself, we're the geeks and nerds of the world. (Asperger's Syndrome is also called "Geek Syndrome). It is possible that this other boy, despite being a year younger, was constantly teasing and/or bullying the other. While this wouldn't excuse the murder, it could explain it.

All I'm asking is that you don't crucify this kid until we get more information.

and got the following reply from David Magor, the news editor:

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You make an excellent point, and we've added more information about Asperger's on the air and on our website as the story is developing. Thanks.

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20 Jan 2007, 9:09 am

News Article wrote:

Odgren's attorney, Jonathan Shapiro, said Odgren has Asperger's Syndrome, a form of autism, and has been taking medications for many years.

"The defendant has a history of fairly serious psychological diagnoses and has also suffered from hyperactivity dysfunction for many years," Shapiro said. "What is clear is John has a serious disability."

What is not stated here in the article is what other psycological problems are comorbid with AS, and what appears to be ADD. Also what is not stated is what drugs this kid was proscribed, as well as the amounts proscribed. --I wonder if the drugs that he was on impaired his judgement to the point where he would do this.

At the same time further information garnered from the other available links allude to the fact that some of the kid's obsessive interests are less than benign. --Either way, though, nothing changes the fact that this is a tragedy for all parties involved.

Furthermore, there really is insufficient data at this time for me to either support or disavow him for his actions.

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20 Jan 2007, 9:13 am

ed wrote:

KenM wrote:

This Boston herald article is calling the person that defended himself a "misfit that has AS"

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegio ... eid=178138

Now that really pisses me off.

Why would you read the Boston Herald? That's the way that paper is. Try the Globe.

I agree. The Boston Herald is only slightly above shitrags like the National Enquirer.

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20 Jan 2007, 9:55 am

I have to reserve judgment until I know for sure this kid was bullied. I find it interesting the stabbing occured outside the bathroom though-- a bully's favorite place because they get their victim alone, out of the eyes of authority. Sure, I bet the AS kid was bullied, but I need to see it in print first.

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20 Jan 2007, 10:02 am

I was bullied too growing up. I think stabbing someone is extreme, but I wish I had been able to stand up to those bullies growing up. Unfortunately, some of them were very big, about two to three times my xize, and doing so was impossible.

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20 Jan 2007, 10:17 am

I've come to realize that most of the "bullying" I thought I received was actually my own fault - I was the one who annoyed the hell out of my "bullies" and pushed them to treat me badly. People generally left me alone unless I did something to them.

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20 Jan 2007, 10:51 am

Dart wrote:

NICE TRY! I stayed AWAY from bullies. I stayed away from most. I "loaned" money(never got it back). I helped people with homework and tests. I was a genuinely nice loaner/loner.

There was no reason to bully me.

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20 Jan 2007, 10:59 am

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Dart wrote:

Never thought about it. I was not bully much by students but I often
was a nice loaner/loner/homework helping/etc

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