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31 Oct 2013, 10:40 pm

andrewlavigne wrote:
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dude, I think we killed this thread.....


If only it were that easy to do to oneself.


From one chronically depressed person to another, please sleep. It will help your brain process the negative emotions.



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31 Oct 2013, 10:40 pm

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While I'm slightly insulted you felt you had to say that that was from Hamlet, it's the first time ("it" being a time at which I have put about 30 mild cuts into my wrists, not enough to draw blood, but enough to be noticed) I've ever really appreciated this speech. Its been 6 or 7 years since I read Hamlet. It would be nice to be around long enough to read it again in 6 or 7 years. I mean, it would be nice for my family. That I were around.

I did not mean to insult you, it was just a copy and paste TBH. I am not smart enough to insult people intentionally. what has kept me going is to take things in small steps, just one day at a time. I know I can keep something up just for today [not thinking about tomorrow as it hasn't happened yet and yesterday is gone], that I could not keep up for more than a day. it is a cold comfort but that is better than no comfort at all. it has enabled me to survive over 5 decades now, and now that most of the hard work of living is done, I can sorta coast to the finish, god-willing. I can't help but feel that when any one of us checks out ahead of time, that I have been left behind and that makes me feel yet more bereft. I will stick around just for those other people who also are toughing it out, as moral company, and I feel best when I know there are others who feel the same way.


I wasn't really insulted. I don't know how else to say I know the speech. I know the speech. It's beautiful. Wouldn't make for bad last words, were it not for the shame of plagiarism.



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31 Oct 2013, 10:45 pm

"Suicide is man's way of telling God, 'You can't fire me - I quit.'" - Bill Maher
the main reasons I have not prematurely shuffled off my mortal coil, are-

*cowardice-
*guilt over the pain it would cause my older sister, I am her only family surviving close by-
*fear that I will only have to go back to the start of the line and start over the life lesson I was supposed to finish the first time around. IOW, there is no real way out but THROUGH life. it is like trying to ditch a class at school that you will only have to make up later, so might as well finish the goddamned thing and get it over with so as not to have to go through the blinkin' thing again.



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31 Oct 2013, 10:47 pm

auntblabby wrote:
"Suicide is man's way of telling God, 'You can't fire me - I quit.'" - Bill Maher
the main reasons I have not prematurely shuffled off my mortal coil, are-

*cowardice-
*guilt over the pain it would cause my older sister, I am her only family surviving close by-
*fear that I will only have to go back to the start of the line and start over the life lesson I was supposed to finish the first time around. IOW, there is no real way out but THROUGH life. it is like trying to ditch a class at school that you will only have to make up later, so might as well finish the goddamned thing and get it over with so as not to have to go through the blinkin' thing again.


For me it's that my family would be pretty bummed out. The cowardice is just a function of that, I think. As for metaphysical fears, I don't have any of those.



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31 Oct 2013, 10:57 pm

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For me it's that my family would be pretty bummed out. The cowardice is just a function of that, I think. As for metaphysical fears, I don't have any of those.

for a non-believer, the following lines bear repeating-

...But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?

do you like taking risks where the stakes could possibly be eternal? I sure don't.



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31 Oct 2013, 10:59 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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For me it's that my family would be pretty bummed out. The cowardice is just a function of that, I think. As for metaphysical fears, I don't have any of those.

for a non-believer, the following lines bear repeating-

...But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?

do you like taking risks where the stakes could possibly be eternal? I sure don't.


I wish I had the confidence of a Richard Dawkins or, as you just mentioned, a Bill Maher. Sure, I don't believe in God. But I'm not one not to be stirred by such beautifully expressed doubts. I'm a gambler though, an irrational thinker when the chips are down. (I think "chips are down" is a gambling term.) It's not enough to dissuade me. It is enough, however, to give me pause.



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31 Oct 2013, 11:06 pm

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I wish I had the confidence of a Richard Dawkins or, as you just mentioned, a Bill Maher. Sure, I don't believe in God. But I'm not one not to be stirred by such beautifully expressed doubts. I'm a gambler though, an irrational thinker when the chips are down. (I think "chips are down" is a gambling term.) It's not enough to dissuade me. It is enough, however, to give me pause.

alternate use of "when the chips are down" is when somebody should watch their step and tread carefully. [barnyard meaning]
pause is what is saving you so far, because you know there are pitfalls that nobody can see the enormity of. and just because one ignores them [discounts their existence] doesn't mean they automatically don't exist, they won't go away just because one doesn't want to think about them and would rather "whistle past the graveyard." I know somebody who thought a 12-gauge shotgun filled with 00-buckshot would terminally pacify his mind, but instead he blew off the front of his face. he survived, knowing what he used to be. that is a fate worse than death, IMHO. there are countless examples similar to this poor man's fate. what it boils down to, is that when it is your time, that is when you will go, and not before.