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18 Jan 2014, 6:58 pm

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This ain't the two genders we're talking about. There's a lot of evidence to support that, not this.


That is both obvious and irrelevant to the comment you have quoted. I didn't say anything about evidence at all.



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18 Jan 2014, 7:25 pm

I am very much type 2. Only thing is I stim when I need to calm myself, when, I am happy, in addition to stimming to think and be creative.



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18 Jan 2014, 7:41 pm

From my experience with the local support group,and observing actual aspies, they do tend to fall into two broad groups: the high strung, and the laid back. Im laid back (though was more fidgety and high strung when younger). But they don't break down like the way the OP has it. The high strung nervous types tend to be female. Males tend to be the laid back type aspies. But either can be either.

If I were to break it down the way the OP has it I would be an almost even mix of both (been accused of being encyclopedic as well as being 'computer like".



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20 Jan 2014, 6:39 pm

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How has this thread gone on so long with such little intellectual rigour. The Op hasnt qualified these categories with any evidence. You cant subdivide a spectrum in 2. These personality types certainly exist on the spectrum, but they are just 2 of an infinite variety. This is why you have many people claiming to be "In the middle"


I think there are 10 kinds of aspie.

The ones who speak binary and the ones who don't.

Another really useful categorization scheme is the chocolate index:

Dark chocolate lovers:
Normal to High IQ
Enjoy complexity in sensory input.
Enjoy elaborate geometrical patterns in art
Prefer music with complex patterns, fugues, leitmotifs, can listen to Glass for hours and hours.
Drawn to sensory extremes in sexual activity
Cat people

Milk chocolate lovers
Any IQ
Prefer simple sensory inputs
Drawn to bright colors and well delineated forms in art
Prefer music defined by strong melodic lines and simple beats. Has no time for Glass.
Sexual preference: 'plain vanilla'
Dog people

This binary categorization system based on: my imagination and perverse sense of humor activated by this thread.


After reading this (although I think you are joking - but here's an instance where I'm not sure if I should take you literally) - I was compelled to look up Glass. Couldn't remember if it was a person or type of music, but then I looked it up and remembered that I know who he is. Long story short, I started listening to his music on Amazon - bought an album of his performed by this group called Uakti, plus another by them that is not Glass music. I've been listening to it all for 2 days now. It's like trance music, like textures on my brain. Very nice! Thanks for the tip!

Do you have any other recommendations of music like that?

(I wanted to get Einstein on the Beach, but it's too expensive so I got the Amazon music instead, but I love that one.)



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20 Jan 2014, 6:58 pm

I don't think I fit into either of those types. Perhaps I am just uniquely me.



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20 Jan 2014, 6:58 pm

starkid wrote:
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I'm predominantly type 1 with a smattering of type 2.

So then, you lean towards what I suspected from the start of the thread, that there are NOT two types, but a vast mixture of the elements described, each person an individual!


A binary classification system is not invalidated by the mere existence of individuals who do not fit neatly into it. For example, the existence of intersexed people does not invalidate the binary sex system.


Actually, that's a terrible example because that is one example of the many things that do invalidate the so-called binary sex system. Anna Fausto-Sterling's written on the topic, but I've seen other biologists take the idea of a strict "sex binary" apart.

http://www.uta.edu/english/timothyr/Fausto-Sterling.pdf

Also this, about how the binary gender/sex system was imposed to eliminate cultural gender roles in colonized nations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial/M ... der_System



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20 Jan 2014, 7:18 pm

wozeree wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
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How has this thread gone on so long with such little intellectual rigour. The Op hasnt qualified these categories with any evidence. You cant subdivide a spectrum in 2. These personality types certainly exist on the spectrum, but they are just 2 of an infinite variety. This is why you have many people claiming to be "In the middle"


I think there are 10 kinds of aspie.

The ones who speak binary and the ones who don't.

Another really useful categorization scheme is the chocolate index:

Dark chocolate lovers:
Normal to High IQ
Enjoy complexity in sensory input.
Enjoy elaborate geometrical patterns in art
Prefer music with complex patterns, fugues, leitmotifs, can listen to Glass for hours and hours.
Drawn to sensory extremes in sexual activity
Cat people

Milk chocolate lovers
Any IQ
Prefer simple sensory inputs
Drawn to bright colors and well delineated forms in art
Prefer music defined by strong melodic lines and simple beats. Has no time for Glass.
Sexual preference: 'plain vanilla'
Dog people

This binary categorization system based on: my imagination and perverse sense of humor activated by this thread.


After reading this (although I think you are joking - but here's an instance where I'm not sure if I should take you literally) - I was compelled to look up Glass. Couldn't remember if it was a person or type of music, but then I looked it up and remembered that I know who he is. Long story short, I started listening to his music on Amazon - bought an album of his performed by this group called Uakti, plus another by them that is not Glass music. I've been listening to it all for 2 days now. It's like trance music, like textures on my brain. Very nice! Thanks for the tip!

Do you have any other recommendations of music like that?

(I wanted to get Einstein on the Beach, but it's too expensive so I got the Amazon music instead, but I love that one.)


If you mean Philip Glass:
Steve Reich
Wim Mertens


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20 Jan 2014, 7:22 pm

I do. Thanks!



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20 Jan 2014, 7:26 pm

Try a search for minimalism and have a field day - you might like some of John Cage's music... New York Counterpoint might tickle your musical fancy


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20 Jan 2014, 7:44 pm

Choreographer Ann Teresa De Keersmaker:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTke1tQztpQ[/youtube]
Choreography based on Steve Reich's patterns in the music

Trailer Koyaanisqatsi:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDW-1JIa2gI[/youtube]
Fusion of image and sound (by Philip Glass),
can be overloading at moments, but shows amazing patterns of earth.


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20 Jan 2014, 8:25 pm

Holy Cow! I liked them both but the first one was sick! It was like stemming just watching it. I think it assaulted all my senses somehow.

How did those dancers to get dizzy and fall over!



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20 Jan 2014, 8:47 pm

I would be in the milk chocolate group I think but I do tend to do better with cats though! :D


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21 Jan 2014, 1:52 pm

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A binary classification system is not invalidated by the mere existence of individuals who do not fit neatly into it. For example, the existence of intersexed people does not invalidate the binary sex system.


Actually, that's a terrible example because that is one example of the many things that do invalidate the so-called binary sex system. Anna Fausto-Sterling's written on the topic, but I've seen other biologists take the idea of a strict "sex binary" apart.

http://www.uta.edu/english/timothyr/Fausto-Sterling.pdf


No, it does not. I did not take the time to read the entire article because the author never seems to address the actual meaning of sex: reproductive function. Chromosomes do not determine sex; they merely match up with it nicely most of the time. In and of themselvess, body parts do not determine sex, they, too merely match up with either the male or female sex most of the time. Sex is determined by, is defined by, reproductive function; there are only two reproductive functions, hence there are only two sexes. The various conglomerations of chromosomes and body parts and secondary sex characteristics do not constitute additional sexes because they do not correspond to additional reproductive functions.

This article is also ridiculous for the rampant extraneous discussion of gender roles and sexuality, which have absolutely nothing to do with sex.



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21 Jan 2014, 9:46 pm

skibum wrote:
I would be in the milk chocolate group I think but I do tend to do better with cats though! :D


Dag nab it!

Back to the drawing board. And this one felt so right!

I will have a piece of dark chocolate and enjoy a stimulating bit of Glass:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiv-LU82t4[/youtube]



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21 Jan 2014, 9:50 pm

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No, it does not. I did not take the time to read the entire article because the author never seems to address the actual meaning of sex: reproductive function. Chromosomes do not determine sex; they merely match up with it nicely most of the time. In and of themselvess, body parts do not determine sex, they, too merely match up with either the male or female sex most of the time. Sex is determined by, is defined by, reproductive function; there are only two reproductive functions, hence there are only two sexes. The various conglomerations of chromosomes and body parts and secondary sex characteristics do not constitute additional sexes because they do not correspond to additional reproductive functions.

This article is also ridiculous for the rampant extraneous discussion of gender roles and sexuality, which have absolutely nothing to do with sex.


This is one of those many times where I find the idea of being a hermaphrodite utterly amazing and appealing. Everything in one package, how awesome is that?!



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21 Jan 2014, 10:04 pm

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This article is also ridiculous for the rampant extraneous discussion of gender roles and sexuality, which have absolutely nothing to do with sex.

8O
It is just remotely possible that this might be a controversial statement. Some people may have the idea that gender, gender roles and sexuality do have some connetions, however tenuous, with sex... Maybe.