Autism And The Lost Plane

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Hey cornflake....thanks for the response...and taking the time and effort to try to communicate with me..i am just going to insert comments in bold as it is too complex for me to format this.......

littlebee wrote:

Thanks for the feed back. You've made a somewhat valid point, but I am not responsible for this thread deteriorating. It's happening imo because people are not trying to process the material.

See, this is where it falls apart. You blame others for not being inside your head.

Actually,I have consistently taken responsibility for not communicating my ideas that well and said several times on other threads that I thought a lot of it was a theory of mind thing on my part....in truth, people are not asking questions....and when they do I answer....but this material is actually designed to be struggled with to some degree...I deliberately make the material on my own threads not too easy...and you may have noticed that when writing on others people's threads what I write has a somewhat different tone to it....

An idea gets presented as something with so many angles, so many considerations, so many interpretations, so many viewpoints - and every single one of them is oh so deeply interesting and requires more thought and what you term as "enquiry" - so much of it, in fact, that no point is ever actually made.

I never said it should be interesting to everyone. Only some people will be interested. No one is interested in all the material on WP...I do not go to the dating forum or even open most of the threads on here....

There is nothing to work with, no spark of interest, nothing to counter nor develop, nothing to pick up and move forward with - nothing but a convoluted, 'everything is interesting and interconnected' word salad - and others get accused of "not trying" when they post puzzled responses.
The real problem is that people are trying, and finding it an extremely frustrating experience.

I acknowledge that some people are finding it frustrating....and already have acknowledged this in another message today, actually

Just one tiny paragraph from earlier in the thread:

littlebee wrote:

As a social scientist I find this very interesting. it is sad that the plane went down, but personally I believe that what is drawing people's interest is the actual search, which, as I wrote previously, is akin to looking for food. Looking for food together or looking for the plane together on one level probably represents finding new life and a reason to live. What is reason? Reason is another word for for meaning. Mean is an interesting word. It can mean to bully someone, to intend to do something, to imply a specific idea content which gives life a reason, so intelligence, and it can also mean the middle ground, such as the golden mean.

I thought people were looking for the plane because that's what people do when their friends and loved ones mysteriously vanish inside one.

You have quoted one of my best paragraphs, though I understand to you it is not good at all. And the whole point was not about looking for the plane. Of course people are going to do that. It was about the news coverage which was bizarrely excessive and lengthy, so imo representing some kind of special interest but why? I have never seen anything quite like it, which is what engaged my interest, but maybe a person would have to actually see it to understand. The gist is about interest in looking for the plane. I guess you could make the point that no one really saw this news coverage as much as I did so do not realize what I am talking about, and I just assumed they would know that because of a theory of mind thing on my part.

Apparently it's about food - no wait: a new reason to live - no, wait: what do we mean by reason? Is it meaning? Ah, but "mean" is a reference to bullying - no, wait: intent - no, wait: middle ground - no, wait: it forms a part of the word "meaning" - no, wait: it's also used in "the golden mean".
[plane] -> [food] -> [new life] -> [reason to live] -> [reason -> [meaning -> [mean -> [bullying -> [intent -> middle ground]]]]] -> [golden mean]
WUT?

I get it ha ha...and thanks for making the effort to write this.Yeah, there was a lot packed in there, and I acknowledge the into to this thread was not that well conceived, though I still kind of like the Dexter stuff and would not mind seeing even a bit more of it.... However I think I am going to try a new approach.

So, you say that this thread is deteriorating because people are not trying to process the material.
What material?

Sorry to disagree about this, but actually there is plenty of material, and it is not my fault people felt compelled to tell Joe that buses are less safe than planes, which obviously she already knows, anyway.

Most of the time these lengthy discourses appear to be the equivalent of someone saying "Apple. Discuss". Yes, it's terribly terribly deep and I imagine Yoko would be proud - but what's the point on a social network? How is it supposed to work out?
People talk with each other here; they laugh, argue, help each other, suggest things - not sit around contemplating the nowness of now in ever deeper thinking.

I am having plenty a good laugh here on WP, and lots of insight, but nothing I am writing has to do with the nowness of now. Literally nothing. My messages are in no way about that, but about past, present and future, so about time, integrative processing of data, hoeing, enfolding, turning the soil over.. And you seem to be saying that I never make messages to help people on WP or suggest things....which is not true...and I can give plenty of evidence of that...

Suppose people were "processing" the material correctly - what would that look like in the context of a thread? (thread hit count and no responses do not count)

Actually responses do not necessarily have meaning in the way you are trying to attribute it. I would look at the quality of the material, and of course that is a subjective call. I have tried to discourage excessive responses on my threads, and have written about this a lot, as I think chat creates not enough grip and too much slip, so, for all you know, most of the readers of my threads are honoring that request....and I appreciate that.

I guess our messages crossed in the mail, but I am going to try a new approach for a while.....One further note, my messages are about time and the way people respond creates time. Waiting creates time and noit being able to wait creates time, just as a spontaneous heartfelt response flowing out of oneself creates time, and all these kinds and qualities of responses together create a new dimension that can touch and affect people much more deeply.[ I am very smart, though sometimes not so intelligent, and have spent the last eighteen years of my life studying how to use this kind of format, internet bulletin boards as a learning tool. I consider that you may know something I do not know, and perhaps you should also consider that I know something you may not know and may have a special contribution to make here. Quite honestly I find it quite distatefgul when people talk about neurodiversity and yet are so upset that others do not accept them, and yet they try to discourage it here, and plenty of people will be reading this.

Cornflake is going to be so glad you cleared everything up for him with that post!

Really? I just think it's funny that you keep responding to the mods telling to write more clearly with more and more unclear messages. If you find that hostile, well oh well.

Littlebee I think cornflakes point was that you are writing to hear yourself talk rather than engaging us, your audience. Maybe you can deliver your message in a way that allows us 'slow folk' to understand and participate in the thread. One of the greatest virtues of great thinkers is that many of them practiced at connecting with a broad audience. For example, if a few people tell you they are confused by what you have posted, perhaps you could revise how you are delivering your message. Perhaps you can introduce it a little bit at a time, allow people to give feedback (and accept the feedback whether you like it or not), then introduce a little bit more information when you feel your audience is ready. The point of sharing information and thoughts with people is that everyone benefits from it. When you have four pages of people expressing confusion and frustration they are probably not benefiting from your information. Revise your delivery method, you may be very pleasantly surprised at the results.

Hi Rascal, thanks for the feedback. This is from my explanatory message. So, is there anything here you do not understand? To you or anyone reading, feel free to ask a question. and no, I am not writing on WP to hear myself talk.

you're were supposed to make things more clear. Not more opaque for us.

There are rational reasons that this plane disappearence is newsworthy- it impacts technology, politics, geopolitics, economics, and the lives of 230 people.

Its not just some game. The search does not "represent" anything.

I myself listen for the latest about it when I turn on the news. Maybe you (the OP) are bored by it. But Im not. And obviously the newsmedia gets an audience for the story- so Im not the only one eager for the latest about it.

So that excerpt from your "explanatory message" about how the search "represents searching for food...searching for parts of themselves" is nonsense. And even if it werent crap-what does any of it have to do with autism?

Okay...

Let me rephrase this:

(a) You dont understand us "normal" people- the millions who tune in to CNN to find out about the latest on the dissappeared plane.

(b) We normal consumers of the newsmedia are infact SO wierd to you that our fascination with the plane is ittself a curiosity to you.

(c) So you jump to the conclusion that it is all about some irrational symbolism on our part.

(d) Therefore its symbolism of ...what? That everyone on the planet is autistic and looking for the missing piece of their own mind? But you're the one who is autistic. And you're the odd person who doesnt care about the newstory. Presumably its NTs who run the newsmedia, and the search efforts, and everything. So what does this search for the plane have to do with autism?