Do we have a barrier between us and other people?

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I was thinking about meme theory and the idea that God is just another meme. As I said before, memes are living entities, they control most of the world's people and they are evil. Than I thought of something, if memes are alive and God is a meme than that means God is alive and he's evil

He's a parasitic creature, living in the minds of man. Every believing man has his own idea of God but God's true power is in his collectively held concept which changes gradually over time. But memes aren't real, tangible things are they? They are. Compare them with carbon based life. A carbon based animal is nothing but a life support and distribution system for DNA. Like memes DNA is really just information. But DNA is still tangible, still made of actual matter, just microscopically small. But ideas can't be tangible at all right? Wrong. Just as DNA is a microscopic chain of atoms, so are ideas and memories encoded into microscopic chains of atoms in our brains. So really, memories are a lot like DNA. Except the DNA in you is of you. But our memories aren't of us, they aren't a part of human DNA, instead they are the DNA of a separate, malevolent life form. How better to control someone than to literally live inside his brain.

We aspies have brains just different enough so that God has a lower chance of being able to live inside them. But since God controls most other people, for his own selfish benefit, he turns his subjects against us. God has his own immune system and NTs are his white cells. He wants to elinimate us from his planet. He really does think he owns the Earth. He thinks he owns the universe, though the rest of the universe remains out of his control for the time being. Ask any Christian, who owns the universe. They'll say God owns the universe. This means God thinks he owns the universe and he wants his minions to know about it.

Retrogamer87, I hear what you are saying about the god meme.... However, there are still many Autie's who believe in God and religion. Therefore, are their brains similar enough to NT's that they are more susceptible to believing in religion and those of us that aren't, have a different enough brain? Is it variations in brains and meme susceptibility that account for different religions and personal beliefs?

It's says in the Bible that God created Lucifer to be as great as he was. Then Lucifer fell from heaven to become The devil a.k.a Satan. God reserved a judgement for Satan to be sentenced to eternity in the lake of fire a.k.a Hell.

Since some people talk about god being evil. Here's my question. If God and all his wisdom knew that Lucifer was gonna fall before he was created. Then why did god create him in the first place?

And here the Christians/ Jews would proclaim "Free Will!"

My view is quite similar overall. Actually my view was like yours for a very long time. Perhaps the years have just allowed me more time to concentrate thought on this issue, or perhaps evolution of the idea was just inevitable. For whatever reason I eventually concluded that the observable patterns that we see in the material world are not really the intelligence itself, but only the trail of something invisible to us, leaving behind evidence where it has moved through the spaces between atoms.

Basically I see information and intelligence to be energy, and invisible to us, as in we cannot perceive energy directly. We can observe the secondary effect that energy has on material, our test equipment, and the via the inputs of our nervous systems. The effect is always translated through a material medium. ...or for the most part to my knowledge.

Without the flow of energy through material, the DNA pattern could not replicate itself or evolve in any way. Without the flow of energy our thoughts could not progress or be acted out in the material world. The algorithms tend to be more intimately tied to energy than to matter.

If we were observing footprints in the snow, but were never able to actually see what was making those prints, then we could still conclude that there was intelligence there, and some sort of logical processes were being carried out in front of us. However it would seem inappropriate to say that the intelligence was in the footprints themselves.

Let me add another example that I like to use.
Electricity is energy that moves through space all around us constantly though we never see it.
It does not leave a visible trail that we can easily see until a certain concentration of energy flow is reached, what we call a spark. In this case the energy flow causes surrounding material to become luminescent to a point it is visible to us. We still are not seeing the original energy flow that is causing this reaction though. Surrounding material reacts and reforms in the presence of energy flow, and I do not consider these reactions to be random. I think that binary logic gates are being followed in these reactions, and there is a formation of conduits which collectively make recognizable patterns, which are then reflected in the structure of the surrounding material.
These conduits or patterns can be short or long lasting depending on the nature of the material, its electrical properties, and the environment.
My primary example will be a lightning strike, which is an energy exchange between the atmosphere and the earth. The energy forms conduits between the air molecules and re-arranges their structure. This structure can last several seconds. Multiple and identical lightning strikes are often recorded following the same initially formed conduits. The structure is a recognizable pattern to us, consisting mostly of bifurcation much like what transistors do. Many logical decisions are being made at an extremely fast rate. The flow has to decide exactly what path to take for best efficiency. There is an intelligence there, though it may seem a bit simple to us.
If the lightning happens to strike into some sand, then sometimes a fulgurite is formed which is a more permanent type of material structure that has formed around conduits.

In winter you can look out the window at the trees and see a similar pattern to the lightning left in our material world, representing an energy/information exchange between the earth and the atmosphere, or sun. It seems a lot slower to us than lightning, but the idea is similar. It is essentially electrical forces that result in plant growth.

So, in this view it is not the material patterns that are the actual intelligence. They are just the visible trails that intelligence leaves behind after having already acted. The material pattern would be much like a "skeleton" of a more extensive process of energy flow.

As beings, we are geared to perceive things from the past. This makes sense that we easily observe the material trails left by energy flow. It could be possible that the actual intelligence does not exist in the past, but is responsible for producing the past. We might say that the intelligence may exist in the future, thought at first that might sound nonsensical.

Here is a fulgurite, formed by sand melted by energy flow.

If my view about this is anywhere close to right, then it may be that the point where the magical interaction between intelligence and material (future and past) happens is during the process of what we call crystal formation, such as the formation of a DNA molecule.

When a crystal is forming it is because energy is flowing through the spaces between the material directionally, and at a certain rate. The material spacing them becomes "regular", and eventually takes on a collective patterned shape we call a lattice.

We don't always recognize a lattice though. The copper in a copper wire is crystalline but we cannot really see a collective pattern at our scale. The lattice of the copper is still clearly effective at being a conduit for allowing electrical energy to flow. It is an effective lens for that purpose.

DNA is a much more complex situation. It is a very large flexible molecule consisting of a great many smaller crystalline structures, - protein bases. While one protein base doesn't seem to have any significant ability, a collective of the bases forms a complex lattice with something like a "key code" designed into it, and thus not technically what we might call "regular" in composition.

Personally I don't think the double helix shape is accidental or coincidental to random factors. It would seem to me that the overall shape may suggest that the energy type needed to transfer intelligence to and from a DNA molecule may be frequency based.
After all, a sign wave is actually more like a helix with only a two dimensional slice of it being shown. I think the overall shape of these protein structures may be more important than merely a convenient chemical packaging scheme. They may be the visible result of a energy with very specific characteristics having flowed through them.

Ok, please take note of my use of the words like "if", "may", "maybe", and "perhaps" in my wording!

I am an advocate of speculation rather than staying within the known confines of a model.
It's just an exploration of possibilities.

I often feel like I do, and it's really annoying. I'll speak, and no one else will give a f**k about what I'm saying. As well, when other people around me are having a laugh about something, or they just seem to be having a good time otherwise, I feel like I'm being left out, and have no way to break in.

The information in this thread might be helpful.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt263174.html

How does it relate?

I was thinking the below information may help explain the behaviors:

This is a brilliant thread!

Autistics are well equipped to play the role of anthropologists in relation to neurotypical culture. The book A Field Guide to Earthlings from Ian Ford is a great example.

I don't think that the level of functioning determines the level of cultural contamination. It is rather the level to which an individual autistic is able to completely ignore neurotypical culture without being significantly penalised that determines the level of contamination.

If you can find a way to live in isolation or a way to at least minimise social interaction, then there is less contamination.

Strongly recommend you check out the book A Field Guide to Earthlings from Ian Ford I mentioned above. Ian does a brilliant job of describing the lockstep social learning process used by neurotypical culture, and he highlights the issues resulting from that process.

That is a much more accurate description than I used. I admit I was generalizing, and the correlation I suggested is not a direct one.
The input/reaction of the surrounding humans (society) would be the more significant factor.

Do you think that everything (our culture, language, etc) is all based on memes? For example, I was wondering whether or not marriage was a meme. I mean, obviously bonding and reproducing are all for carrying on genes/ survival of mankind and marriage helps with that.. but is marriage itself a meme?
And next, is there any idea that is not a meme? Can we ever truly be uncontaminated? I mean, even if we were to go "off the grid" and live in the forest or something, wouldn't the ideas of how to build a house and forge for ourselves mostly be based off of others and their experiences?

All ideas are memes, but I normally reserve the label for those memes that are part of the hive mind, - that is they have evolved to be self-serving to the hive mind software.
A meme becomes part of memetics when it evolves within the collective of the minds of society.

culture = yes
language = yes
pair bonding = no
marriage = yes

It is too late for us to be completely uncontaminated. It is possible for a newborn.

Forming ideas based on others and their experiences does not necessarily mean evolved to serve the hive, so I would not automatically count all ideas from that process.

To me there is a huge difference between information gained from your environment, and information downloaded to you from the environment with the purpose of hijacking your thought process.

Example: building your house similarly to someone else is not necessarily hive mind. Building your house to meet "code" determined by other people is necessarily hive mind.

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