Are Autistic Men More Likely to be Misogynistic?

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Autistic Men are More Misogynistic than Average?
I'm a male and I agree. 18%  18%  [ 28 ]
I'm a male and I disagree. 55%  55%  [ 86 ]
I'm a female and I agree. 12%  12%  [ 19 ]
I'm a female and I disagree. 15%  15%  [ 23 ]
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01 Mar 2015, 6:57 am

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Just a thought, is it possible that growing up aware that you are different impacts on the male behaviour as it does female, but to generalise men tend to be more practically minded and less emotionally aware and both use compensatory strategies to blend in? Does emulating fundamental maleness develop into an aspect of personality?

That makes sense. Perhaps autistic males embrace the greater misogynistic culture because this allows them to fit into a group and to scapegoat a group for their problems.

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Doesn't society reinforce the objectification of women? I don't agree with that ethos, but to me it is the reality, for example look at the models in music videos its all boobs and bums. That is not going to change, the notion of sex and attractiveness drives many industries and permeates every culture, as it has always done.


True, even right back to ancient fertility statues.

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01 Mar 2015, 7:07 am

The "Venus" was from a Cro-Magnon who probably worshipped a fertility goddess. It reflected what men enjoyed in women.

Alas, women were prevented from sculpting the male ideal.

The "Venus" itself might be objectifying, but it's not necessarily misogynistic. The prevention of similar objectification by women probably was misogynistic.

I don't think physical aesthetics, while "objectifying", necessarily leads to misogyny/misoandry. It is, at times, representative of an appeciation of physical beauty in its own right. I'm not ideal-looking--but there's nothing wrong with women enjoying one of those muscular Greek sculptures.



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01 Mar 2015, 7:13 am

androbot01 wrote:
True, even right back to ancient fertility statues.
Lol, the ever evolving image of female sexiness... I wonder could society evolve to a place where attractiveness was truly subjective? Or does that already exist in every day life, but is not represented in mass media.



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01 Mar 2015, 7:21 am

I believe physical attractiveness to be purely a subjective thing. My notion of what's attractive frequently does not reflect typical Western notions.



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01 Mar 2015, 7:22 am

As if the image of male sexiness in media is any near of subjective - like seriously...



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01 Mar 2015, 7:36 am

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Is the Ideal Male Body Different in Size and Shape for the Male and Female Participants?

An independent t-test shows that the ideal male BMI set by the female participants is not significantly different from that set by the male participants (t(78) = 1.81, p = 0.074; effect size r = 0.20; power to detect at two-sided alpha of 0.05 = 0.44). The WHR of the two bodies were also not significantly different: t(78) = 1.43, p = .229; effect size r = 0.16; power to detect at two-sided alpha of 0.05 = 0.20), but WCR was significantly different (t(78) = −3.09, p = .003; effect size r = 0.33; power to detect at two-sided alpha of 0.05 = 0.67).



http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... 50601-g003

You are not more subjective when it comes to the ideal male body.



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01 Mar 2015, 7:43 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
You are not more subjective when it comes to the ideal male body.
Who is You?
Women in general?



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01 Mar 2015, 7:45 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't think physical aesthetics, while "objectifying", necessarily leads to misogyny/misoandry. It is, at times, representative of an appeciation of physical beauty in its own right. I'm not ideal-looking--but there's nothing wrong with women enjoying one of those muscular Greek sculptures.

I disagree. Not to denigrate some great works of art, but when we make idols personifying perceived perfection we also create standards of beauty. Living up to the perfection becomes a goal which can't be reached. It's bad for the psyche.

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Lol, the ever evolving image of female sexiness... I wonder could society evolve to a place where attractiveness was truly subjective? Or does that already exist in every day life, but is not represented in mass media.

I think it exists in the nooks and crannies of society, but the media norms are so pervasive that they are unavoidable.

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As if the image of male sexiness in media is any near of subjective - like seriously...

Agree.



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01 Mar 2015, 8:34 am

I'll never live up to any standard of perfection. Neither will supermodels of both sexes.

Anyway...the "Venus," by most standards, is grotesque and a caricature. No woman would want to live up to THAT ideal.

It's an amazing work of art, though. I can't hope to produce something like that.



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01 Mar 2015, 8:53 am

I'm no Adonis....but I don't hate women because if that. I can't live up to any ideal....c'est la vie!

I like individual ladies for themselves. I don't juxtapose women I like with some supermodel. Beauty is almost always an "inner" thing. Supermodels could be ugly "inside."



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01 Mar 2015, 9:04 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Anyway...the "Venus," by most standards, is grotesque and a caricature. No woman would want to live up to THAT ideal.

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Peter Paul Rubens.
It depends on the time and place, I think.



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01 Mar 2015, 9:10 am

Absolutely. I like "Rubenesque" women myself.



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01 Mar 2015, 10:03 am

I hate it when people hijack my topic.

So I am going to hijack this topic. :D

So my first acquittance with autism was (drum roll please), "Rain Man". Only in fact, it was my grandmother's brother but I didn't know it at the time. My second was with my wife's cousin's daughter. Pretty much classic autism, and pretty sad, she is so smart, and beautiful, and nobody will hire her. :cry: Then the third was when I figured out I have what many call Asperger's Syndrome, and probably the best title I have seen is a mild case of Autistic Spectrum Condition, because it isn't a disorder, and I don't want to get into that right now.

But I think almost all of us believe autism is a 'spectrum'.

Then about a month ago, I came across an online article claiming that gender was a spectrum, not a binary. Of course I resisted at first, but as the presenter presented, I thought, hmmm, she has a good point there, and a good point there, and people on WP have claimed that they felt neither. How callow of me. And, since I believe (know?) that autism is a spectrum, who am I to say only autism is the only condition that can have a spectrum? My opinion and conclusion?

Gender is a spectrum too.

So I come into WP and see a poll and I am given the choice of male and female. What about the people on this forum we can't consider themselves binary male or female? Have a heart, please!



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01 Mar 2015, 10:13 am

We're talking about misogyny amongst males. Let's hope there isn't any amongst people who don't believe in gender, or is not part of the gender binary

I believe gender is a spectrum. I, myself, prefer someone who identifies as female, and is anatomically female, as a lover.

Why do you think we're "leaving you out?"



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01 Mar 2015, 10:18 am

lol, an NT guy that's been single/celibate for like 1-2 years is probably often as misogynistic as an autistic guy that's went 10-20 years or more. That's just a guess based on observations of them IRL by the way.



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01 Mar 2015, 10:28 am

michael517 wrote:
I hate it when people hijack my topic.

So I am going to hijack this topic. :D

Meh, it was floundering anyway.

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...So I come into WP and see a poll and I am given the choice of male and female. What about the people on this forum we can't consider themselves binary male or female? Have a heart, please!

Yes, I considered that, but then I thought it might get to be too long a list of options so I went with the gender binary. Sorry to offend and please share your experience if you want to.
I agree too that gender is spectrumish.