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03 May 2015, 3:28 am

Yeah, those sorts of opinions can turn anyone into a jerk because they feel they have some sort of moral superiority that allows them to control others. It definitely can be worse with autistics.



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03 May 2015, 3:56 am

Alcohol? Even my mom encourages me but I never liked it's taste.
Drugs? It's illegal here and nope.

If you mean by social pressure of taking alcohol and drugs, I never had tempted to do so. Not because I comply to prevention 'programs', it's because I simply because I know it's consequences and I get to choose whether I consume or not. In most of my high school years, I see more of my classmates drink after class, and a few who secretly consume drugs. Hell I caught my NT sister trying to smoke when she's like what, 8??

If anyone told me that they do alcohol and drugs because it's "cool", if being "cool" is THE reason, I'll laugh at that person.


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03 May 2015, 4:22 am

For me, my brain already processes the world in a different way from most people so I perceive things and think in ways that don't really require supplementation. Substances of any kind just dull that and it isn't enjoyable. I have never known anyone to be more interesting or better company on drugs or alcohol and I deeply distrust anyone who uses drugs habitually. That's based on personal experience not some sort of moral judgement. I have drunk alcohol in the past, sometimes to an unhealthy extent, but that was part of my misdirected attempts to cope and it didn't make me feel good.



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03 May 2015, 12:59 pm

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For me, my brain already processes the world in a different way from most people so I perceive things and think in ways that don't really require supplementation. Substances of any kind just dull that and it isn't enjoyable. I have never known anyone to be more interesting or better company on drugs or alcohol and I deeply distrust anyone who uses drugs habitually. That's based on personal experience not some sort of moral judgement. I have drunk alcohol in the past, sometimes to an unhealthy extent, but that was part of my misdirected attempts to cope and it didn't make me feel good.


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03 May 2015, 9:21 pm

milksnake wrote:
Yeah, those sorts of opinions can turn anyone into a jerk because they feel they have some sort of moral superiority that allows them to control others. It definitely can be worse with autistics.


At least we're honest about it though, so there is that; none of that "pretending to like it so other people dont think you're weird" sort of crap that some people seem to do (seen friends do that... often...).

In my case, I *really* dont give a flying fart if people think I'm a jerk about it. Really, really dont care. I figure, if someone doesnt like it... go away. I at least try to keep my own rules about the whole thing simple: If you've been drinking recently, dont come near me. If you ARE near me and want a drink, leave (or I'll leave if it's someone else's house). The drugs bug me more though; were I to find that someone I know was doing that crap, ahh... I'd get "unpleasant", really. And then probably not see them for a month.

And I figure, if they dont like the rules I have.... yeah, well, tough. I reiterate the "go away" part. They can go be drunk or whatever elsewhere. I can just find something else to do.



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03 May 2015, 10:27 pm

I have a major disdain for alcohol and other drug usage by people when I am nearby. If people want to use it, fine, but not around me at any time. I want to be in control of my cognitive functions at all times. This is one reason why I hate going out with other people as they usually think that they have to consume alcohol to have a good time. That is simply not the case, but maybe I have a warped sense of fun. When the drinking/drug use starts, I immediately leave the premises and go home. If they want to ruin their bodies, that is their choice to make, not mine. I just do not see the point in pickling your brain while you are still alive. After death, well that is a whole another matter indeed.



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04 May 2015, 2:12 am

I personally do not care for either one. I highly dislike both of them, plain & simple.
I believe that you shouldn't need to take any kind of substances to change how you are (ex. socially) and most importantly, how you think. Alcohol and drugs, together or separate, shuts down certain areas of your brain (ex. processing, decision-making, etc.). Even though these "shut-downs" are temporary, they still greatly affect you. Sure, it will probably make you more extroverted, social, etc. But it all comes down to, how worth is it to you to be able to have these short-term effects on your body ?
Overall, alcohol and drug use may have some negative effects in the long-run.
Just something to think about ...


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04 May 2015, 7:10 am

I understand the self-medicating. My mind whirs so fast all the time. I *know* the over-firing feeling. When it gets really bad, some alcohol does help. I don't use alcohol even once a week, usually not even once a month. And only half a drink will help me relax a bit because I am not a big drinker. I don't have a problem with alcohol use.

OVERUSE is the issue. One does not need to get drunk to reap some benefits of drinking alcohol. It takes effort to get drunk, really, unless one is a very tiny person.

I can see how marijuana can help certain conditions, but I think it needs to be highly regulated. Marijuana is much more potent than alcohol.

I can get to the nether-regions of thought without the help of psychedelic drugs, so I have steered far away from them. I have always been concerned that since I already head out to the nether region of thought, that under the influence of drugs, I might permanently let go of the tether that connects me to reality. It's not worth the risk for me.

I also often have "off" reactions to prescription drugs. I have no desire to find out if I might have a bad or unexpected reaction to a non-prescription drug.



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04 May 2015, 11:34 am

hilaryy_renee_ wrote:
I personally do not care for either one. I highly dislike both of them, plain & simple.
I believe that you shouldn't need to take any kind of substances to change how you are (ex. socially) and most importantly, how you think. Alcohol and drugs, together or separate, shuts down certain areas of your brain (ex. processing, decision-making, etc.). Even though these "shut-downs" are temporary, they still greatly affect you. Sure, it will probably make you more extroverted, social, etc. But it all comes down to, how worth is it to you to be able to have these short-term effects on your body ?
Overall, alcohol and drug use may have some negative effects in the long-run.
Just something to think about ...


The trouble is alcohol and drugs isn't even a both....there are all kinds of drugs, and not all of them even shut down areas of the brain, some stimulate areas of the brain, all medicines are drugs and they have a wide range of effects as most people know. I certainly do not care if people want to use any or not, that is their choice...but I do wish there was more awareness of the facts of the issue by the way a lot of people discuss drugs you'd think they all have the exact same effects. Also much of the time when someone says they are against all drug/alcohol use or don't use any themselves...they are a regular coffee drinker, or taking medications on a regular basis....not to criticize their choice but I guess it just bothers me people are unaware they take drugs every day....then how the hell are they to be informed on any risks associated with drugs, even caffeine has health risks and to think some people drink tons of it all the while thinking they don't use any drug.

And well medicinal uses of drugs....what about people who show significant improvment of functioning or in some cases like terminal illness feel better/in less pain? Should people just suffer if there is a drug that can help, that has side effects/risks minimal compared to going without that? Of course it would be counter productive to take something even more harmful than the condition you are treating...but usually those things are supposed to be determined/weighed ahead of time. And then there is the assumption people who do use drugs/do not deny the fact...are oblivious to the fact drugs can carry health risks, when a lot are aware....sometimes even more aware of the risks than the person who says that to them.


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04 May 2015, 11:53 am

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I understand the self-medicating. My mind whirs so fast all the time. I *know* the over-firing feeling. When it gets really bad, some alcohol does help. I don't use alcohol even once a week, usually not even once a month. And only half a drink will help me relax a bit because I am not a big drinker. I don't have a problem with alcohol use.

OVERUSE is the issue. One does not need to get drunk to reap some benefits of drinking alcohol. It takes effort to get drunk, really, unless one is a very tiny person.

I can see how marijuana can help certain conditions, but I think it needs to be highly regulated. Marijuana is much more potent than alcohol.

I can get to the nether-regions of thought without the help of psychedelic drugs, so I have steered far away from them. I have always been concerned that since I already head out to the nether region of thought, that under the influence of drugs, I might permanently let go of the tether that connects me to reality. It's not worth the risk for me.

I also often have "off" reactions to prescription drugs. I have no desire to find out if I might have a bad or unexpected reaction to a non-prescription drug.


In what way is marijuana way more potent? The high/stoned feeling can seem much more potent, but actually as far as toxic potency for instance alcohol is much more potent. You can die downing too much alcohol in one night...plenty of college kids have died that way, being unaware of the full risks. As for cannabis you'd pass out/vomit long before you could ingest enough to be at risk of a deadly overdose.

I've been stoned many times, and drunk many times and never have I gotten black out 'stoned' and made an ass/idiot of myself all the while stumbling and slurring words and maybe puking all over for good measure. I cannot say the same for drinking. So based on that I prefer cannabis to alcohol...of course not everyone is effected by all drugs the same way, some people find cannabis quite unpleasant and anxiety provoking.


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04 May 2015, 1:56 pm

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I understand the self-medicating. My mind whirs so fast all the time. I *know* the over-firing feeling. When it gets really bad, some alcohol does help. I don't use alcohol even once a week, usually not even once a month. And only half a drink will help me relax a bit because I am not a big drinker. I don't have a problem with alcohol use.

OVERUSE is the issue. One does not need to get drunk to reap some benefits of drinking alcohol. It takes effort to get drunk, really, unless one is a very tiny person.

I can see how marijuana can help certain conditions, but I think it needs to be highly regulated. Marijuana is much more potent than alcohol.

I can get to the nether-regions of thought without the help of psychedelic drugs, so I have steered far away from them. I have always been concerned that since I already head out to the nether region of thought, that under the influence of drugs, I might permanently let go of the tether that connects me to reality. It's not worth the risk for me.

I also often have "off" reactions to prescription drugs. I have no desire to find out if I might have a bad or unexpected reaction to a non-prescription drug.


In what way is marijuana way more potent? The high/stoned feeling can seem much more potent, but actually as far as toxic potency for instance alcohol is much more potent. You can die downing too much alcohol in one night...plenty of college kids have died that way, being unaware of the full risks. As for cannabis you'd pass out/vomit long before you could ingest enough to be at risk of a deadly overdose.

I've been stoned many times, and drunk many times and never have I gotten black out 'stoned' and made an ass/idiot of myself all the while stumbling and slurring words and maybe puking all over for good measure. I cannot say the same for drinking. So based on that I prefer cannabis to alcohol...of course not everyone is effected by all drugs the same way, some people find cannabis quite unpleasant and anxiety provoking.


In the amount of the drug required to get the effect. Like I said above, it takes effort to get drunk. One has to down a good amount of alcohol in a short time without any food. If one drinks responsibly, one doesn't even get drunk, just a little relaxed. One can even have a drink (obviously depending on personal metabolism) and still drive because it isn't enough alcohol to cause impairment. It doesn't take much to get stoned, if one joint can get a whole group of people sharing it high. I am basing what I say on the testimony of my husband who spent much of his high school and college years getting wasted on both.

Drinking alcohol does not necessarily get one drunk. Smoking pot does get one high. I'm not saying there are no benefits to being high (though I have never been) - just that marijuana needs a lot more regulation.

Coffee, while a drug, is not mind-altering. It does not cause any kind of disconnect with reality like being high or drunk does. Same with cigarettes. Same with sugar. Same with basic OTC pain relievers.

I had to take Vicodin and Percocet for a back problem a few years ago. I experienced a few hallucinations on them, esp. the Percocet, which I did NOT like... But, they are tightly controlled and in a pill form to regulate the amount taken.



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04 May 2015, 3:08 pm

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nerdygirl wrote:
I understand the self-medicating. My mind whirs so fast all the time. I *know* the over-firing feeling. When it gets really bad, some alcohol does help. I don't use alcohol even once a week, usually not even once a month. And only half a drink will help me relax a bit because I am not a big drinker. I don't have a problem with alcohol use.

OVERUSE is the issue. One does not need to get drunk to reap some benefits of drinking alcohol. It takes effort to get drunk, really, unless one is a very tiny person.

I can see how marijuana can help certain conditions, but I think it needs to be highly regulated. Marijuana is much more potent than alcohol.

I can get to the nether-regions of thought without the help of psychedelic drugs, so I have steered far away from them. I have always been concerned that since I already head out to the nether region of thought, that under the influence of drugs, I might permanently let go of the tether that connects me to reality. It's not worth the risk for me.

I also often have "off" reactions to prescription drugs. I have no desire to find out if I might have a bad or unexpected reaction to a non-prescription drug.


In what way is marijuana way more potent? The high/stoned feeling can seem much more potent, but actually as far as toxic potency for instance alcohol is much more potent. You can die downing too much alcohol in one night...plenty of college kids have died that way, being unaware of the full risks. As for cannabis you'd pass out/vomit long before you could ingest enough to be at risk of a deadly overdose.

I've been stoned many times, and drunk many times and never have I gotten black out 'stoned' and made an ass/idiot of myself all the while stumbling and slurring words and maybe puking all over for good measure. I cannot say the same for drinking. So based on that I prefer cannabis to alcohol...of course not everyone is effected by all drugs the same way, some people find cannabis quite unpleasant and anxiety provoking.


In the amount of the drug required to get the effect. Like I said above, it takes effort to get drunk. One has to down a good amount of alcohol in a short time without any food. If one drinks responsibly, one doesn't even get drunk, just a little relaxed. One can even have a drink (obviously depending on personal metabolism) and still drive because it isn't enough alcohol to cause impairment. It doesn't take much to get stoned, if one joint can get a whole group of people sharing it high. I am basing what I say on the testimony of my husband who spent much of his high school and college years getting wasted on both.

Drinking alcohol does not necessarily get one drunk. Smoking pot does get one high. I'm not saying there are no benefits to being high (though I have never been) - just that marijuana needs a lot more regulation.

Coffee, while a drug, is not mind-altering. It does not cause any kind of disconnect with reality like being high or drunk does. Same with cigarettes. Same with sugar. Same with basic OTC pain relievers.

I had to take Vicodin and Percocet for a back problem a few years ago. I experienced a few hallucinations on them, esp. the Percocet, which I did NOT like... But, they are tightly controlled and in a pill form to regulate the amount taken.


I usually cannot get stoned off of a joint maybe a little high if I am lucky(I don't complain to the group especially if everyone else gets more effected) since I don't really need to reach that state anyways for the benefits. Unless I smoke one to myself...which is rare, I don't really like them too much harshness for too small of puffs. a regular pipe, bong or bubbler is what I prefer with the latter two I can just take a couple hits to reach the same effect as smoking a whole pipe bowl for one and its smoother. But yeah I found I cannot drink responsibly if I do it to try to deal with something bothering me, or I get more aggrevated than relaxed. I can enjoy a couple beers with friends, on occasion get somewhat tipsy or in the afternoon/evening a cold beer is nice on occasion if I am not stressing about something. With cannabis I am able to think about things more calmly/objectively rather than things being more blurred.

I'd think alcohol needs more regulation, since it can cause a deadly overdose easier than cannabis....and from what I see its really only people who very rarely smoke cannabis who can get high off of one hit usually. Also cannabis is incompatible with pill form unless its like a sort of supplement pill containing activated cannabis oil I think it is if I remember right. Aside from that there are edibles/drinkables, and another non-smoking option is vaporizing as well as tinctures. I mean should they turn chamomille, valarian, and all the other herbal concoctions into pharmacutical pills?...if you know anything about herbs that is not practical in the least. Also its been found medicinally some cannabis strains help certain conditions more than others and that is partially due to how the plant develops and how plant alkoids interact with more active chemicals like THC and CBD....it is much more complicated than one would think.

Things like percoset and vicodin ought to probably have somewhat heavier regulation as well...though it seems unwise the amounts of acetaminophen they put in Vicodin, there had got to be a better way to discourage abuse of it than making the desperate addict or someone in ongoing chronic pay with their liver which that can damage in large doses or over time. And wouldn't opiates in general run the risk of liver damage over time anyways, so why add another drug that does that?


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04 May 2015, 5:47 pm

I went through a phase when I was 18-19 years old where I was very self-destructive and I drank alcohol to excess. That is when I started having serious gut problems and got unofficially diagnosed with "IBS". Alcohol runs straight through me like liquid fire. That stopped me from making it a habit. Otherwise I might have become an alcoholic.

Now I truly cannot stand the smell, the taste, anything about alcohol. I find it repellant.

I smoked cigarettes (and occasionally cigars) off and on for years and for whatever reason never got addicted to it. I miss smoking, but now I can't stand the smell or taste of that either.

The only drug I ever tried (other sometimes snorting my Ritalin) was marijuana. At the time I liked it, but after I stopped I never really missed it. I just don't see what the big deal is about it.

I am about as square as a person can be, and I don't make it a point to judge people who use substances, but all the same I don't spend much time with people who do. I would rather not be around it.



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04 May 2015, 5:51 pm

I don't do either because I'm afraid of what I'd become. I'm terrified of getting drunk, even if I just drank one sip. Plus, I also grew up in the Dare program as a kid. So, that's another reason why. I don't hate people for doing it. I hate the people who get carried away, become abusive and start beating the s**t out of their family. :/ Too much drinking and drugs can be bad for you. It can have strong affects and cause you to act in a way you normally wouldn't act. That's what scares me the most.


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04 May 2015, 6:12 pm

Ok to be honest. I do have a feeling of disdain for people who drink socially. Mainly because in my past experience, people who did that tended to be a**holes.



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04 May 2015, 7:09 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Things like percoset and vicodin ought to probably have somewhat heavier regulation as well...though it seems unwise the amounts of acetaminophen they put in Vicodin, there had got to be a better way to discourage abuse of it than making the desperate addict or someone in ongoing chronic pay with their liver which that can damage in large doses or over time. And wouldn't opiates in general run the risk of liver damage over time anyways, so why add another drug that does that?


Yeah I agree that Vicodin should not have acetaminophen in them. Vicodin is pretty popular to get high on- and acetaminophen adds unnecessary danger. Some people cannot help gettin addicted to pain killers- so this should be considered part of the risk of the medication. Adding acetaminophen only increases the health risk. I don't think pain killers should be more heavily regulated. Chronic pain is already under-treated due to doctors seeing these patients as addicts. Most pain relievers are already heavily regulated and cannot be more so without making it unreasonably difficult for actual patients to get the meds.

I know Suboxone prevents someone from getting high by injecting or snorting it. Suboxone includes naloxone-which works as an "anti-opiate". Naloxone blocks the effect of opiates almost completely by binding as an antagonist the receptor that they act on-preventing their activation. Naloxone cannot be absorbed in the GI tract so has no effect if swallowed- but completely eliminates any high and causes immediate withdrawl symptoms to an addict if injected. Maybe something like this could be incorporated into other pain killers- but it may hurt the brands already in existence if companies were forced to make new brands with naloxone. Of course it wouldn't prevent someone from getting high by taking the pills orally.

To answer the thread- I think some with Asperger's do have some sort of legalistic "disdain" for alcohol or drugs. But its far from being all aspies - maybe not even most. Some aspies have an obsessive and strict following of "rules/laws" and social naivety that may lead to them being complete teetotalers. I think both social naivety and desire for strict adherence to rules is a sign of autism, but not something that most autistics will have.