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25 Nov 2015, 12:45 am

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Somehow, I don't think Zappa would want to deny treatment to people that suffer, especially in the case of Down Syndrome for instance. It's just a metaphorical song.


I come here to socialize and wind down. Debating isn't my style and I don't come to have my gentle nature tested and challenged.


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25 Nov 2015, 1:52 am

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There is NOTHING good about neurodiversity, especially when everyone and their brother sh!ts all over you. I'm to the point now, someone should round up the neurodiverse beings here on this planet and execute all of us. I'm tired of people treating me like nothing more than d!ckcheese.


By that line of reasoning, why should we be the ones to be executed? Why can't the ones who are being unkind to us be the ones to go? Allowing hostile people to execute us would be the ultimate form of oppression and being treated like "dickcheese" whatever that is.

One scientifically validated fact for why autism is a good thing is the statistic stating that 10% of autistics have savant abilities. That's way more than in the NT population, in fact, it's positively massive. You can find the evidence here:

http://www.autism.com/understanding_savants


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25 Nov 2015, 2:06 am

StarTrekker wrote:
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There is NOTHING good about neurodiversity, especially when everyone and their brother sh!ts all over you. I'm to the point now, someone should round up the neurodiverse beings here on this planet and execute all of us. I'm tired of people treating me like nothing more than d!ckcheese.


By that line of reasoning, why should we be the ones to be executed? Why can't the ones who are being unkind to us be the ones to go? Allowing hostile people to execute us would be the ultimate form of oppression and being treated like "dickcheese" whatever that is.

One scientifically validated fact for why autism is a good thing is the statistic stating that 10% of autistics have savant abilities. That's way more than in the NT population, in fact, it's positively massive. You can find the evidence here:

http://www.autism.com/understanding_savants


So what about the 90% that don't have savant abilities?



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25 Nov 2015, 3:12 am

Ok the ones I know personally include a professor of engineering, a professional basketballer, a sports journalist, a non-fiction author, a psychologist, a vintage clothing specialist, three very accomplished professional musicians, a mathematician who has won a prestigious international prize, a photographer of wildlife, a PhD in Chemistry, a maths teacher, and an artist.



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25 Nov 2015, 6:08 am

The reason why weeds do so well is genetic diversity. But, if a weed is in the wrong spot, it won't last long, even if I don't pull it.



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25 Nov 2015, 7:55 am

Autism is good because of it I can't go anywhere without close protective supervision, so I've never been abducted or hit by a bus.



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25 Nov 2015, 8:42 am

Nope...I'm not an engineer, a basketball player, etc.

No savant abilities here.

I'm just an everyday schmuck with a data-entry job.

Being on the Spectrum is okay. It's aggravating at times. It might have enhanced my acquisition of knowledge when I was young.



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25 Nov 2015, 9:19 am

Ezra reminded of a situation at age 13 where my undiagnosed Autism was a factor in helping me. It was different then kids went out after school until dinner time without any supervision, parents did not know what what we were doing no texting, phone cameras, or camaras all over the place period. Teens went out after dinner unsupervised until curfew which was around 10 or 11 at night. Kids went on public transportation at age 12 to the mall, and to concerts at age 15 or so unsupervised. And nobody knew about HFA/Aspergers.

They had a type of summer camp then for 13 year olds where you took day trips to the amusement park, beach, baseball game, concert etc. my parents sent me there to thinking I would make friends. It did kind of work, the kids were much nicer then the bullies in school. Once in July and once in August there was a 3 night trip. The trip for August 1971 was Boston. The "supervision" was stoned out hippie counselors. We stayed in the dorms of Simmons college 3 blocks from Fenway Park (Paaaark) home of Boston Red Sox baseball team. You can imagine what happens when you have 13 year olds hundreds of miles from home. There is a story for the adult section but that is for another day. For this story the important thing is that I was up all night. We had a day activity, we came back to the dorm at 4 and were told to be on the bus at 4:30 for an evening trip to an amusement park. I fell asleep, woke up at 7:30 and quickly figured out the group had left without me. Most 13 year olds left alone in a strange city even then would freak out. But Autistic me likes doing things by myself so I had an opportunity and took it. I told the campus guard where I was going, told him to call the group and walked the 3 blocks to Fenway bought a ticket from a scalper who was my age and enjoyed a baseball game (California Angels 4, Boston Red Sox 3 Yastrzemski home run)in another city which was a big deal. Now if this happened it would have went immediately viral, the media would be following the bus home and me coming back from the game, people would be fired, maybe jailed and the program would be shut down. But this is now, that was 1971. To the other boys I was a hero and was mobbed like a rock star. The counselors asked me not to tell anyone and I was happy to oblige. Bieng trated like the Beatles was heady stuff for a 13 year old who was usually bullied, why would I want the people who made it possible to get in trouble? I never told my parents about it until I was in college.

Nobody I knew got abducted. People got killed because they or somebody else was driving drunk, stoned or both.


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25 Nov 2015, 9:49 am

That's a lovely story, Sir!



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25 Nov 2015, 10:27 am

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Autism is good because it gives me the wisdom to think outside the box, instead of putting things into little boxes that are known as categories.


Any evidence you have for this assertion?
That is not a fair question. CockneyRebel answered the original post question in a personal way. She said that that is what Autism does for her. She did not say that that is what Autism does for every Autistic person. She does not have to provide any evidence for that assertion. That is her personal observation about something in her personal life.


Ok, I didn't know she meant it that way (I tend to misinterpret arguments :?). I thought this was only about autism as a whole, not about life experiences. I'm really sorry then CockneyRebel.


I accept your apology. I wish that I would have seen this sooner. Reading and comprehension aren't exactly my strong points either, so I apologize that I missed this apology.


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25 Nov 2015, 10:30 am

^Asperger's has allowed me to expand on my gifts and talents, and I can't imagine myself any other way. :heart:


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25 Nov 2015, 12:21 pm

It allows me to connect the dots in ways that others just cannot see (ie think way outside of the NT box). I have learned that I have a special skill in combining non-related technologies to invent new things. It took me a while to understand that not everyone could do this, as I assumed everyone in grad school had that ability. Many of them wanted to learn how I could do this but they just could not replicate it when I showed them. I also learned that I can absorb a massive amount of chemical data at one time and use it as needed later on. Most NT people reach a saturation point that blocks their uptake of more data, so they give up trying to take it in. That was very useful during the cume exam stages.

Granted, there are huge trade-offs for acquiring these skills. In my case, it cost me most of my social abilities. NT people consider me more of a computer than a person for a reason. I am OK with that.



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25 Nov 2015, 12:54 pm

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2 of my grandparents were autistic. What does that mean?


means u iz a trolly troll

y umad tho?



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25 Nov 2015, 10:27 pm

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2 of my grandparents were autistic. What does that mean?


means u iz a trolly troll

y umad tho?


I think u rug-u-lack some compassion brah

This thread wasn't a troll


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26 Nov 2015, 5:58 am

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I think u rug-u-lack some compassion brah

This thread wasn't a troll


umad umad doggie



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26 Nov 2015, 6:45 am

"good" is just a notional construct in a piece of temporary meat (brain), and there is no such thing as good in physical reality.