Does anyone here believe in reinarnation?
I've seen numerous program on that type of thing you just touched on . They're all just made up stories with no actual proof or evidence . They just prey on the more gullible types sadly .
As said, there will never be any real proof or evidence for such stories, because this won't ever be possible to achieve. Some could be true, some could be partly true, some not at all, we'll never know. Even if they were true though, I wouldn't give memories of some past life much importance in this life.
Reincarnation is a deeply discussed topic in my group, and most of the discussions are very philosophical. No one has the "complete" answer, of course. Many of us are just as skeptical about it as any non-metaphysical people.
And where is your proof of us having spirits and souls?
Reincarnation is a deeply discussed topic in my group, and most of the discussions are very philosophical. No one has the "complete" answer, of course. Many of us are just as skeptical about it as any non-metaphysical people.
And where is your proof of us having spirits and souls?
Exactly , they're just made up words and phrases .
It's all popycock .
As regards spirits , souls , ghosts , reincarnation , levitation , predicting the future , mind reading etc etc .
There is a one MILLION dollar fund available in the USA , just for the first person to scientifically PROVE any on of the above or any other unexplained phenomen . The funny thing is it's been available for over 25 YEARS ! ! !
It's been there unclaimed , many have tried to fake things and cheat ( Uri Geller for one ! ) but he and the rest were cought cheating - surprise
The fact of the matter is that you don't need proof. You don't have to "prove" a religion. It's a religion for a reason. I can't "prove" anything over the internet. And as I stated, it's even a sketchy subject in my metaphysical community. Not everybody believes in it, and I never stated directly that I believe in it either. If you are someone who is constantly looking for proof in all things, where is your room for growth?
Some people feel like they need to believe in something after they die, and that is their own decision. If you believe you will mold away and rot into nothing when you die, then that's your business. I have my own experiences in my life that have shown me that spirits and souls exist, but could I prove it to somebody? No. Because the human mind is a skeptical one to start.
I know of a man in my community who has been looking for proof for years and still hasn't found it, despite the countless amounts of accounts people have told him of their own experiences with the same subject. It's something that you personally have to experience in order to believe in. And in this case, we truly won't know until we die.
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Some people feel like they need to believe in something after they die, and that is their own decision. If you believe you will mold away and rot into nothing when you die, then that's your business. I have my own experiences in my life that have shown me that spirits and souls exist, but could I prove it to somebody? No. Because the human mind is a skeptical one to start.
I know of a man in my community who has been looking for proof for years and still hasn't found it, despite the countless amounts of accounts people have told him of their own experiences with the same subject. It's something that you personally have to experience in order to believe in. And in this case, we truly won't know until we die.
Without proof or evidence there is no certainty .
Is there anything you could / would share in here as regards your experiences with spirits and souls .
If one needs no proof to believe a religion, then how does one decide which religion to take part in? What if you're all following the wrong religion and the true religion hasn't been formed yet?
If a religion is called religion because it needs no proof, then it's also called a religion because it's not true.
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If a religion is called religion is because it needs no proof, then it's also called a religion because it's not true.
I thought that the scholars were in agreement that all these religions were created thousands of years ago by the brighter / power hungry people to simply control the less educated ones ...
Seems to be still working by all accounts
Regarding spirits, I've had my own fair share of "crazy" experiences. I'll just share a couple, though, because they involved more than one person. (You know, besides myself.) My girlfriend lived in a shared house with a married couple several years ago. She called me up one night saying that she was experiencing a very uncomfortable feeling, and hearing footsteps down the hallway when the couple had gone out for the night. Knowing she was the only other person in the house, it freaked her out. We didn't think much of it, though, because at the time we dabbled a lot in witchcraft, so we were kind of used to hearing knocking on walls, seeing things fly across the room, or watching objects smash on the floor in our family's kitchens. I went over there to spend the night with her, and could not even begin to describe how sick that house made me feel. That night we both stayed up in her room sitting on her bed while hearing someone stepping down the hall in heavy boots, and then something scratching on the floor and on her door, when the married couple was out for the night. We couldn't explain it. I checked the house multiple times. I looked through every door trying to find the source, but it was quite literally a phantom sound. It could have been mice I suppose, but for the amount of times it happened in the same routine manner, and how loud and heavy it sounded, it sure didn't seem like mice. We never saw any real evidence of scratching, but it was loud enough to wake us both up. That same night when I finally managed to get some shuteye, I had a horrific nightmare, which was a first in a very long time. It only made me that much more nervous about the whole scenario. She later invited her friend over, about a week since our scratching occurrence, and he reported hearing strange footsteps out in the hallway, and getting a generally "uncomfortable" sensation even without us saying a word to him about what was going on.
A more recent experience happened a couple of years after my girlfriend (now wife) and I moved into an apartment together. I woke up and got out of bed in the morning to turn on the lamp, and the moment that I did, I heard a distinct, three-tone knocking, clear as day, on our bedroom door. It was so audible that even my wife woke up to it. I was actually quite scared, because I thought that someone had gotten into our house. Just a few days previously, we'd been interacting with a metaphysical seller online who had sent us a package full of what she claimed were haunted items. We sort of put two and two together.
As far as the soul goes, that gets a bit sketchier. I couldn't prove any past lives, of course, but I'll just say I've had way too many coincidences happen in my life that make things add up in a certain manner, so I believe in the afterlife to an extent for sure. Reincarnation is a touchy subject, as I stated, even among my "crazy" community. XD A lot of us actually take the mundane approach to situations first, and try to rule out reason and scientific thought before we blame anything on the spiritual world. But some things, like my scratching story and the knocking, just can't really be explained, especially when more than one person was witness to it.
But it's all relative, of course. To many of you my stories may just seem fabricated. There's no way to prove what I say is ultimate truth, unless my honey were to make an account on here and confirm everything I guess, without knowledge that I'd shared our stories, lol. That's the unfortunate side to online communities. You can't really take anything at face value.
As far as religion goes, you can't really prove any religion. That's something that you have to feel in your heart. Why did I choose the Pagan path? To be quite honest, I was in deep meditation one night and could have sworn I heard the voice of a god speak to me, call my name, and tell me that he wanted to work with me. I later had quite an intense dream detailing how I should respect him and ask for his guidance. My mother decided to join the Mormon religion because she was reading the Book of Mormon one day and said she almost physically felt a hand reach through her and close around her heart. She took that as a sign that it was the "right" religion for her. My sister decided to become Bhuddist because she started praying for a sign of what religion to join, and for the rest of the week she kept stumbling across images of Bhudda. Everybody finds their own religions through personal experience. In my opinion, there is no right or wrong religion. I was once a part of a Pagan group, and my high priest would always say "everything is a truth, but nothing is the truth." In other words, every story is connected. We all originate from a single Source, but whatever that Source is, it's simply described differently in each religion. Some say it's the molecules in the universe, others say it's God, some say we were molded from the clay of the Earth, some say we were created from the elements and given life by a big, flying serpent (Quetzalcoatl). In theology, it's quite interesting to see how so many religions match each other in story. In a way they're all kind of connected. That, in my opinion, is what makes them all so interesting.
In response to the last post, that's what I see dogma as. Even those in the metaphysical community sometimes consider dogma as the downbringer of man. Created to control the masses. I have a lot of personal opinions on dogmatic religions, being of an anti-dogmatic one myself, but I'll keep those to myself for now. XD
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"Keep an open mind", "Just have faith", and "You don't need proof" are all phrases used by every charlatan that has ever tried to convince me that his or her collection of beliefs - their religion - is the right one for me. Religion is nothing more than the politics of faith, and faith is nothing more than belief without proof.
I believe in that which I can measure, either directly (like mass and volume) or indirectly (like density). I believe in principles that are predictive (algebra, trigonometry, calculus, et cetera). I believe in activities that can be shown to achieve the same results every time (recipes, formulas, chemical processes, et cetera).
I have no faith in unprovable concepts like telepathy, reincarnation, spellcasting, spiritual channeling, and other "supernatural" myths. Provide evidence to prove these concepts, and I will believe. Just keep in mind that testimonials are not evidence, beliefs are not evidence, rumors are not evidence, hallucinations are not evidence, dreams are not evidence, traditions are not evidence, and something you once read on the Internet but can't remember where is not evidence.
Reincarnation has no evidence other than personal testimonies, beliefs, and feelings. A written account is just another personal testimony - second-hand or worse. Most are so vague as to apply to many combinations of historical records. Here is a typical past-life account:
"My name was John. I emigrated from Ireland in 1858 to work the gold fields in California. Instead, I got caught up in the slave trade, and ended up fighting for the South. I took a mini-ball to the chest at Gettysburg and died in a Yankee field hospital. My body was buried in a mass grave at a crossroads near a river."
Now, how many people could this "testimony" apply to?
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The mere fact that science may not yet adequately explain an object, event, or experience does not mean the immediate explanation should automatically default to a conspiratorial, extraterrestrial, paranormal, or supernatural cause.
There's no way LittleLu could "prove" her "hypothesis." Especially when she's not around in person.
Basically, all belief in religion (and non-religion) are based upon "faith." This is why I don't argue religion too vehemently. I'm an agnostic atheist--though I don't preclude the possible existence of a "superior force which set the Universe in motion."
I don't have any "proof" of the "truth" of my lack of faith in religion. I just have no faith in religion, and faith that there is no religion.
Yep...you have to watch out for those charlatans who try to hem you in based upon their "faith." It can cost you dearly.
Thank you. I'm not attempting to prove anything here. I was just asked to provide a little more input, so I did. In no manner do I want or even care to convert anyone into believing in the metaphysical. I have atheist friends, and we get along great. Faith certainly is the ideal concept that religion is based off of. And to each their own.
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Well if that's the case then you cant have been very much of sinner in your previous life because aspergers is nothing compared to say childhood leukemia, or to countless other far worse things to have.
But if your aspergers is karmic punishment for something maybe its...that you were some kind of con artist who abused his ability to "read" people in a previous lifetime. So you were born with an impairment in social instincts this time around (which is what an ASD is basically).
Just a thought.
I have "faith" that if I eat enough cheeseburgers I can fart my way to Jupiter. Prove me wrong and I'll just say "maybe I haven't yet eaten enough cheeseburgers" or "my bowels tell me I'm close to take off." "just a few more cheeseburgers" Anyway that's how ridiculous faith based claims sound to those who don't have the need lie to themselves for "comfort." Also human testimony is the lowest form of evidence in science and that's just a polite way of saying its worth nothing. One more time. People can "make up" any story they like but they better have evidence!
If a religion is called religion because it needs no proof, then it's also called a religion because it's not true.
There is another way - I choose to follow a certain religion - I know it is not "real" big people in the sky but I thoroughly enjoy all the tale, myths, gnostic knowledge, rituals and emotional feelings around it. I would never expect anyone to give me a second of respect because of it or act differently towards me. I do not proselatyse or claim it to be a higher moral or ethical person because of it. I would not die for it or kill for it. I just enjoy what goes with it.
I like the idea of reincarnation. Everybody likes a second chance. I imagine that there is a choice involved. When you die you can choose to join the cosmos and return to being stardust in which case you are completely recycled or you can choose to be reborn. Scraps of memories may get carried forward.
In my story, you do not get to choose how you are reborn but there is a path that starts somewhere among the smaller invertebrates and works your way through mammals and then to being a human. Not that we can assume being a human being is some crowning achievement but it's all I know. Sometimes I think whales are one up from us. Once you are a human, you stay being reborn into that but can always return to stardust. Stardust supplies an infinite source for new souls to be cultivated. When stardust is used instead of a previous person then the result is an immense and new combination of previous life. Memories may linger but not as clearly.
If you live your life in some exemplary way, and being beautiful or a celebrity is not what I mean, then you can achieve a choice when you die of becoming some higher form of life. Maybe the higher form exists on another planet in another universe or simply in the fifth dimension or hidden folds of our reality.
