Aspergers but good at reading people. Intense world theory
Thanks for starting this thread, stalactite, it's turned into a very interesting discussion. What emerges from all the posts is that while people's individual experiences are different, there's a common theme - that most people with AS have a high level of empathy that enables them to intuit quite sharply what others are feeling and thinking, even though it sometimes takes a while to work out an appropriate response (if one is needed). And if we often feel that things that NTs say and do don't make sense, it's because they don't. So much of what governs their behaviour are artificial social constructs.
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I wish I had the OP's gift for "reading people". Most of the time, I have no clue what people feel so I end up assuming that everyone hates me, which isn't good for me psychologically.
I feel that AS gives us an "ability" to see the logical connections between events and activities in the world, separate from understanding interpersonal interactions. A lot of the time, it feels like I can easily predict how world events and local events will occur based on the evidence I see around me, which sometimes makes me feel a bit like Cassandra from the Greek myth of the Fall of Troy. It can be a little frustrating to be able to clearly see that a work strategy or political decision is not going to work, but then be helpless to stop it from happening.
That is a beautiful definition of the way most people are. It can really throw you off unless you can see through the B.S.
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I feel that AS gives us an "ability" to see the logical connections between events and activities in the world, separate from understanding interpersonal interactions. A lot of the time, it feels like I can easily predict how world events and local events will occur based on the evidence I see around me, which sometimes makes me feel a bit like Cassandra from the Greek myth of the Fall of Troy. It can be a little frustrating to be able to clearly see that a work strategy or political decision is not going to work, but then be helpless to stop it from happening.
Very well put. Most of us are probably familiar with this feeling of helplessness as we see the world, particularly the natural environment, being increasingly destroyed through foolish or selfish decisions. It would be good to have a rewind button for the planet.
Yeah often I feel like I'm good at reading people but in a more analytical way... I often don't know to respond to people in the moment and can become really clueless. I just freeze up, but I know I'm picking up on things. I sometimes wish I didn't have it because I know people think I'm acting strangely and are thinking badly of me, and that makes me anxious and makes me seem even more confused and clueless.But I don't think it's paranoia, because I'm usually right :/ and I know people can think well of me. I wish I didn't care. Then maybe I'd have more resources to respond. but it's like everything's too much - lights as well are a big problem for me, and just the general environment. I had a go at virtual reality, and those worlds actually seemed more real to me... I think it was because there was less there to pick up on, so I could see it all. Most of the time I just unconsciously block everything out because it's too much, and I don't see anything.
There is a difference between the way an aspie reads people and NTs read people.
Aspies pick up on a great deal of minor details and can't rank the importance of each minor detail and fit it into the larger social picture.
NTs get the larger social picture intuitively. NTs know the appropriate social response given the entire global social picture. What is rude behavior for an ordinary person is not rude behavior when it comes from your boss. What counts as disrespect is a function of how long you have been in a social group. And even those relationships are an aspie's way of looking at it (tho more global and usual). A NT just feels what is appropriate or not.
I guess that being able to read people has benefitted me. But more to the spirit of your post, I see many places where I've become defensive because people have insulted me. The way I understand it is:
In a group of NTs, having aspergers is a negative.
It is acceptable to treat people low on the social ladder with disrespect.
I do not find it acceptable to be treated as a non equal.
I notice when I'm treated as a non equal.
It is not acceptable for someone low on the social ladder to disrespect someone high on the social ladder.
If I reciprocate the disrespect I'm out of the group.
Here is the kicker:
Let's say I'm disrepected by someone.
There are ways to respond in kind and have it be socially acceptable (look at a political debate).
If you can master that instant back and forth and keep it up over a long period of time.
You move up the social ladder. People respect those that are able to banter in a socially acceptable way.
I am not able to do it. I used to be able to do a back and forth for like 3-4 responses.
But it is a constant expectation that you can do it all the time.
Aspies pick up on a great deal of minor details and can't rank the importance of each minor detail and fit it into the larger social picture.
NTs get the larger social picture intuitively. NTs know the appropriate social response given the entire global social picture. What is rude behavior for an ordinary person is not rude behavior when it comes from your boss. What counts as disrespect is a function of how long you have been in a social group. And even those relationships are an aspie's way of looking at it (tho more global and usual). A NT just feels what is appropriate or not.
I guess that being able to read people has benefitted me. But more to the spirit of your post, I see many places where I've become defensive because people have insulted me. The way I understand it is:
In a group of NTs, having aspergers is a negative.
It is acceptable to treat people low on the social ladder with disrespect.
I do not find it acceptable to be treated as a non equal.
I notice when I'm treated as a non equal.
It is not acceptable for someone low on the social ladder to disrespect someone high on the social ladder.
If I reciprocate the disrespect I'm out of the group.
Here is the kicker:
Let's say I'm disrepected by someone.
There are ways to respond in kind and have it be socially acceptable (look at a political debate).
If you can master that instant back and forth and keep it up over a long period of time.
You move up the social ladder. People respect those that are able to banter in a socially acceptable way.
I am not able to do it. I used to be able to do a back and forth for like 3-4 responses.
But it is a constant expectation that you can do it all the time.
This really resonates with me, thank you. I pick up on every minor detail, and so I 'know' when people are thinking negatively about me and get upset and/or challenge them, which is inappropriate, and it can seem paranoid... but I do pick up on these things. I'm no good at instinctively knowing what is and isn't appropriate, which becomes frustrating. I'm either very quiet and passive, which is socially acceptable, but it annoys me, or inappropriate. And if I'm quiet and passive for too long I become exhausted and depressed, and end up suddenly having a meltdown. Ugh, I don't know. I think I need to not let things bother me so much, but everything has always been confusing. Growing up, I never understood why my behaviour was inappropriate and everyone else's was. I still often don't.
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That is a beautiful definition of the way most people are. It can really throw you off unless you can see through the B.S.
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No, being male and clinicians thinking you are good at reading people is evidence against having autism.

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This is a great summary, thank you. I wonder if it is this confusion that ends up with us often being aloof. We begin to doubt our own intuition (because we have learnt things don't make sense so need to be analysed a lot...), and so although we do empathise, we overthink things to an extent that a possible appropriate response gets lost in the noise. I think there's a lot more research that needs to be done into autism.
I've spent so much time and effort trying to figure out why the same message is acceptable (even respected) when someone else says it becomes unacceptable when I say it. It feels unfair.
I've spent so much time and effort trying to figure out why the same message is acceptable (even respected) when someone else says it becomes unacceptable when I say it. It feels unfair.
I know exactly what you mean.
I read people very well, but I do not understand most of their choices, actions, values and beliefs.
This sounds so familiar. Except I'll start crying later in the day once I've processed it all.....
Everything is too much information. I want to live in a house in the woods.
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I read people very well, but I do not understand most of their choices, actions, values and beliefs.
This sounds so familiar. Except I'll start crying later in the day once I've processed it all.....
Everything is too much information. I want to live in a house in the woods.
This reminds me of the story about two monks and a woman.
A senior monk and a junior monk were traveling together. At one point, they came to a river with a strong current. As the monks were preparing to cross the river, they saw a very young and beautiful woman also attempting to cross. The young woman asked if they could help her cross to the other side.
The two monks glanced at one another because they had taken vows not to touch a woman.
Then, without a word, the older monk picked up the woman, carried her across the river, placed her gently on the other side, and carried on his journey.
The younger monk couldn’t believe what had just happened. After rejoining his companion, he was speechless, and an hour passed without a word between them.
Two more hours passed, then three, finally the younger monk could contain himself any longer, and blurted out “As monks, we are not permitted a woman, how could you then carry that woman on your shoulders?”
The older monk looked at him and replied, “Brother, I set her down on the other side of the river, why are you still carrying her?”
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I think I do too... I guess I feel like I'm good at reading people, and I understand characters in books very well, and think logically about people's motives etc, but people day to day don't make sense to me often - I think because they're illogical. But I like philosophical discussions, poetry, literature...
Whatever abilities I have to "read" people are often shot down by my parents who tend to blow far and few in between occurrences into something bigger then it is ...
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