What is an aspie?

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In two years this post is the nearest thing to a heated argument!
Getting back to the original OP.
We all seem to fit under a single umbrella, following a set path of AS conformity.
It's as if we have all unknowingly, downloaded the same app.
Conformity (or like minds) is the beginnings of culture.
Which is in our case is an unstructured group based on common genetic values.
We do not have Hive minds, nor do we bow readily to peer pressure.
So we don't fit well in a top down (BIG BOSS) Chimpanzee Type troupe.
This makes us Day to Day feel isolated, just like being a star in a Pierre Boulle film.

Where do I find this?


I don't get what you mean.


I wonder if there's a name for a disorder where understanding of socialisation and implied meaning is impaired.


You have one post and there's been actual arguments in that time frame.


Isn't that contradicting?

I'm chiming in as something stands out to me:

Where in the literature is this stated?

The DSM states with regard autism that severity is based on social communication impairments and restricted, repetitive patterns of behaviour.

This contradicts the severity/chronology of onset model you are proposing.


The DSM also states in the very next sentence that the symptoms, whilst having to be present in the early stages of development, do not necessarily have to present themselves at that specific stage.



On a purely anecdotal level: if someone were to go to the doctors and be treated for depression early, this could save them from very severe depression.


The statement RE timeframe of diagnosis determining severity seems, to me, ludicrous.

it is common for something like Aspergers to be diagnosed later than classic autism because the "deficits" found in Aspergers do not usually emerge until the child is of preschool age or later.

The "pathology" found in classic/Kanner autism are evident much earlier, sometimes even in early infancy.

Usually, classic/Kanner autism has a more "severe" symptomography than Aspergers.

There is much evidence for this. One only has to read case studies of both.

I know it's probably inaccurate to most others, but I use the term 'Aspie' for everyone on the spectrum, even low-functioning autistics.

Not recognised until then =/= didn't emerge until then. I had deficits before I was of preschool age, but wasn't diagnosed until 18.



there is no clear evidence that they are different disorders

Not recognized.

Aspergers is normally not recognized until a child is school-aged or frequently even in adulthood.

It's true that deficits occur when very young--but they are usually too subtle to be recognized by clinicians.

You and ganandox are talking about two different things.

Date of onset is one thing, but the date that your parents/caregivers/school teacher recognize the problem enough to send you to a shrink- so the shrink can test you to see you even have it in the first place- is another thing.

I was presumably aspie from the moment I was born. But my behavior didnt stand out as different from that of other children in a recognizable way until probably first grade in school. In contrast a type III autistic would be recognized as odd, and as lagging behind peers,earlier, maybe as a toddler, or even as an infant.

How come I was diagnosed with AS at 8, even though I'm female with only mild AS? I feel so severely autistic or ret*d or something. I hate my stupid f****d up f*****g brain what had to be NT for 4 years, then severely autistic for 6 months, then moderate autistic for 4 years, then mild AS for about 12 years, then suddenly social anxiety and ADHD currently. What's next? Dementia?

Statistics are in the DSM. You can also use google.

It's just a statement on the amount of time between when the problem came up and when the problem started being dealt with, I don't see how that's so a hard concept.

Here you completely missed the point. It's not that there is evidence for aspergers and HFA being separate disorders, but that more severe autism has an earlier onset. On *average*, a case of aspergers is much less severe than a case of autistic disorder, and this is a reflection of diagnosis patterns regardless of whether or not they are actually different

Citation needed.

It's diagnosed earlier as an average, I get that, but onset earlier? Prove your claim.

There was a reason I was ignoring you before. There are plenty of sources that have been referred to you, you're just being a pain. If it didn't onset later, it wouldn't be diagnosed later. Problem is again you don't understand what autism is from a medical perspective. Now I'll resume ignoring you.

I'm not asking for general sources, I'm asking for a specific citation just for that claim.

You've given 3 sources, I'm not going to read the entire Abnormal Psychology: An Integrative Approach, Seventh Addition by David H. Barlow, nor the statistics section of the DSM, and I can't extract information from your professor - where specifically am I supposed to be looking just for this claim? You should know how to cite and why you need to. Where exactly does it say that more severe autism has an earlier onset?

I wasn't diagnosed until 18 years old. Did my autism onset at 18 years old? No, it's ridiculous to use diagnosis to mean onset, it's like posting that chart with autism diagnosis frequency increasing over time and saying autism onset frequency is increasing over time.

You don't need to read the entirety of anything, basically you've just admitted to being lazy and obstinate. I don't got time for this. If you can't bring yourself up the level of the conversation, then don't try to take part in it.

I imagine you have to do citations all the time. I'm simply asking for a citation, any format, I don't mind. I know I don't have to read the entirety of anything, but at the moment it seems I'd have to since you're being (deliberately?) vague. Just give me a page number, that's not difficult to do and you'd have to do it anyway.