Our Ancient Origins?

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Nowhere did you state any relevant fact, nor have you used any logic.

But I do forgive you for your trolling and lying about the fact that you have stated any facts, or used any logic.

But before we all move on to the next step in the discussion let me ask you one thing.

A breeding population of humans existed at one time who had a look distinctive from us.
This population no longer exists.

So what do you call it when a population "ceases to exist"?

The fact that three percent of your genes came from that population doesn't change the fact the breeding population with the distinctive phenotype anatomy doesn't exist anymore.

So what do you call it when that happens?

If not "extinction" then what?

If you were 50 percent Neanderthal you could claim to be a "hybrid". But no one alive today is fifty percent, or even much above 3 percent Neanderthal. So if you're only 3 percent you cant claim to be a living Neanderthal who is keeping lineage alive if that's what you mean.

Im sorry, but you are not able to handle this.

you're the one who cant handle answering a simple question.

So once again:

If not extinction then what term would you use?

I don't understand the bolded part.

Neanderthals were the northern species (or race, or subspecies, or whatever). They were well adapted to the environment of Ice Age Europe, and even had adaptations like stocky build (that reduces the surface area to body volume ratio)for cold weather.

It was during interstatial (a slight let up in the ice age, with a slight retreat in the glaciers) when the Anatomical moderns invaded Europe from the east and drove them to extinction.

And the anatomical moderns of that time were taller than modern Europeans. They had only recently left Africa and southern Asia, were adapted to the tropics. Part of their adaptation was that they had long bodies and long limbs with a lot of surface area that can dissipate heat in the tropics.

However -if that notion is right- that part of the Neanderthal superior adaption to the cold of their local environment included the ability to hibernate in the winter (making them the only known primate that hibernates) then that could well be a fatal adaptation.

The invading anatomical moderns might have gotten wise to the fact that the locals hibernate, and during winter they may have made a policy of simply invading the caves of hibernating Neanderthals and...then slitting the throats of the hibernaters!

That would certainly explain the sudden disappearance of Neanderthals, and their equally sudden replacement by the Cro Magnons in the fossil record of Europe.

I really doubt that we will be able to establish details of Neanderthal life through speculation here. One clue to the odds of them co-existing with us is the extremely elusive behaviour of Sasquatch and Yeti, which are persistently reported but never confirmed. However, if hibernation was a factor, you should know that animals are almost defenceless for days after waking up from winter. The non-hibernating predators fill out, but they can't eat everything in two weeks.

Yeah. The topic is speculation wrapped in speculation.

Have had long time affection for the Yeti and the "Squatch". Can only conclude that they either don't exist, or that they are EXTREMELY clever about avoiding detection. Since they are high primates with near human intelligence they might conceivably have invested that intelligence into being specialized into avoiding human detection.

But we are able to keep pretty good tabs on other human like large primates like gorillas, bonobos, chimps, and orangs. They even keep track of every member of the mountain gorilla species via satellite. So bigfoot must be REALLY smart to avoid getting pinned down.

Sorta drives you nuts. There is only soft evidence for bigfoot, but its such a large amount of soft evidence (eyewitnesses, hard to explain blurry videos)that it kinda adds up, and its hard to go either way- to dismiss-or to believe.

If something doesnt actually exist, how can it have gone extinct?

It existed at one time, and then it ceased to exist.

So what do you call that?

I found this hilarious comment on You Tube:

"Gerhard Olson (6 months ago):
We will win this race war against the neurotypicals, Semites, black Africans, liberals (...)"

Gosh!

Could you post it?

That is funny.

A couple of years ago when this Neanderthal theory was talked about a lot, I ran across a mind blowing article on the web.

But when I tried to find it later it turned out to be basically a hoax. A piece of uncorroborated news on some guys website, the guy being an obvious White supremist with a private obsession with Neanderthals.

The story was this: that researchers took autistic kids, and not just any autistic kids, but ones who had "face blindness" (impaired in recognizing individuals by facial features, which seems to be a common comorbid among autistics), and that they showed these kids batteries of pictures of both modern folks, and of "Neanderthal faces".

The upshot was that the kids got less face blind, and were better at distinquishing "Neanderthal faces" than faces of modern people. And further that the autistic kids found Neanderthal faces "more attractive".

The implication being that modern autistics are not really face blind, but are wired to focus on Neanderthal faces, and not on the faces of modern people.

When I first saw that I was mindblown. Its too good to be true. It not only lends credence to the Neanderthal theory of the origin of autism, but implies that every autistic has a mental time machine in his/her head that can take anthropologist back to the Mousterian era of the Neanderthals!

But thinking about the story later all kinds of questions popped into my head. Like 'what do they MEAN that they showed these kids 'Neanderthal faces'??? You can readily find photos of modern homo sapiens sapiens. But there were no cameras in Neanderthal times. And there were not even any portrait painting artists, or sculpers then (or their work hasn't survived if there were any) like there were for our more recent ancestors in pre photography times. So the researchers would have to have hired artists to make artists conceptions: faces fleshed out from Neanderthal skulls. And how did they do it? Did they paint these hypothetical Neanderthals as cave people? Or did they paint them clean shaven, and with the men wearing suits and ties, and the ladies with pearl necklesses? The later would have been the right way to go to eliminate variables so the subject kids could focus on just the faces and not to diverted by cultural artifacts like clothing.

Searched the Net again months later. Found the article. It gave no description of the methodology of this alleged test. And I found no other mention of this supposed test on any other site on the web including science sites. So I choose to suspend belief that the test ever happened. But it makes a great entertaining piece of science fiction. I will say that.

Seems like a satire on research into "face-blindness." Amongst other things.

No. It wasn't a satire of anything.

It was an anectdote mentioned on a huge site some guy obsessed with Neanderthal ancestry of modern racial groups.

Cant seem to find the site anymore to link to it.

What existed? It wasnt a species.

As is often the case, kraftiekortie is the voice of reason and has stated it well.

We are in an ice age now. It started about 2.6 million years ago. Considering that the shortest ice age we have had so far is estimated to have lasted about 30 million years, we're going to be in this ice age for a very long time.

We are currently in a warm period during this ice age. When it ends, temperatures are going to fall, sea levels will far, glaciation will increase dramatically, much less food will be produce, and starvation will become the norm.

The word extinction applies to other entities besides species. Like subspecies and even ethnic groups.