Why do so many of you call everyone "NT's"

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25 Nov 2017, 11:34 am

Personally I find it endlessly satisfying to show the true bully nature of NTs and I think that anyone with ASD who advocates for NTs hasn't really been truly negatively affected by the relentless bullying that comes with being Autistic by NTs. And, it shows a severe lack of empathy for those who are, like you, Autistic.

NTs have a FAR greater problem with acceptance for those who are different than people who have a mental disability, because we KNOW what it's like to be set aside like we have a contagious disease or something. NTs are time and again the aggressors against people like us.

Now, not ALL NTs are extraordinarily mean-spirited to the mentally disabled BUT I would say 90% are, and I'm being generous there. And, let's be realistic, most of that 10% of accepting NTs are health care workers. In my own personal experience, finding acceptance amongst NTs takes a herculean amount of effort, and it's incredibly draining. Kinda exhausting to push a boulder up a mountain, especially when you've been doing it your whole life like I have.

Wait till you're in your 40s and are STILL battling Autism and we'll talk then about advocating for NTs. For the time being, I suggest you save your sympathies for those us ASDs who really need it, like the ones who can barely take care of themselves, like NTs do quite easily.

THEY don't need your sympathy nor acceptance WE do.


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25 Nov 2017, 11:48 am

I've been autistic all my life. I'm 56.

Yes, "NT society" can be nasty. I feel it literally in my bones at times.

But I've had nice interactions with NT's, and not-so-good ones with autistic people. I was, a few times, bullied by people who have been deemed "disabled."

It irritates me, of course, when an NT makes assumptions about autistic people. The same thing for autistic people about NT's.

What is said about "NT society" seems true to me frequently. But don't assume all NTs subscribe to it.

It's like the people who call all white people murderers because of what a few white people have done in the past.

I take people as individuals, not as a blind member of a collective.



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25 Nov 2017, 11:52 am

@xatrix

No. Accepting everyone does not show a lack of empathy for one group. I fully support other autistic people, as long as they are good people, and no one dislikes prejudice toward autistics more than me. I just don't support bigotry in any direction.

The amount of acceptance toward autistics varies between communities. Personally, I never experienced huge amounts of bullying. Sure, I was misunderstood by most, but that's not an NT thing, it just shows the flaws of humanity. I'm on another forum, where the majority of people are NTs (if NT means non-autistic), and the autistic members are accepted readily.

Not all NTs can take care of themselves perfectly. Some have mental or physical illnesses (assuming, again, that NT is defined as non-autistic) and really struggle day to day. Even those who don't have problems in their lives. Being NT does not guarantee an easy life.

Furthermore, like I said, prejudice and judgment are not an NT thing, they're a human thing. Time and again on these forums, I've seen ableism toward those who have trouble with spelling and remembering facts and the like. I've seen people judge the members of this forum who have difficulty communicating in a socially acceptable way. I've seen people look down on those who have meltdowns, saying that they need to get it together or whatever. So autistics are not any better than NTs in that regard.



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25 Nov 2017, 11:53 am

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I've been autistic all my life. I'm 56.

Yes, "NT society" can be nasty. I feel it literally in my bones at times.

But I've had nice interactions with NT's, and not-so-good ones with autistic people. I was, a few times, bullied by people who have been deemed "disabled."

It irritates me, of course, when an NT makes assumptions about autistic people. The same thing for autistic people about NT's.

What is said about "NT society" seems true to me frequently. But don't assume all NTs subscribe to it.

It's like the people who call all white people murderers because of what a few white people have done in the past.

I take people as individuals, not as a blind member of a collective.


Ily, always did


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25 Nov 2017, 11:55 am

Many NT's are highly sensitive and work in the social and medical fields. Unfortunately, the rotten apples are the causing trouble type and get the negative attention on here.



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25 Nov 2017, 12:02 pm

I've been bullied in most jobs I've had as an adult.

I also have some fantastic NT people around me.

Generalizing won't help me.


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25 Nov 2017, 12:18 pm

Let the 19 year old grow and learn.



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25 Nov 2017, 12:24 pm

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Go read your post where you said we could vent and the parameters you provided.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Earth to History Gal: Look what YOU said. You complained about "NTs telling me what to say".

I am an officially diagnosed aspie.

So I am not NT. So what does what I ever say have to do with what you're complaining about?



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25 Nov 2017, 12:41 pm

HistoryGal wrote:
Let the 19 year old grow and learn.

I certainly hope I won't grow more hateful with time.



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25 Nov 2017, 1:02 pm

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Personally I find it endlessly satisfying to show the true bully nature of NTs and I think that anyone with ASD who advocates for NTs hasn't really been truly negatively affected by the relentless bullying that comes with being Autistic by NTs. And, it shows a severe lack of empathy for those who are, like you, Autistic.

NTs have a FAR greater problem with acceptance for those who are different than people who have a mental disability, because we KNOW what it's like to be set aside like we have a contagious disease or something. NTs are time and again the aggressors against people like us.

Now, not ALL NTs are extraordinarily mean-spirited to the mentally disabled BUT I would say 90% are, and I'm being generous there. And, let's be realistic, most of that 10% of accepting NTs are health care workers. In my own personal experience, finding acceptance amongst NTs takes a herculean amount of effort, and it's incredibly draining. Kinda exhausting to push a boulder up a mountain, especially when you've been doing it your whole life like I have.

Wait till you're in your 40s and are STILL battling Autism and we'll talk then about advocating for NTs. For the time being, I suggest you save your sympathies for those us ASDs who really need it, like the ones who can barely take care of themselves, like NTs do quite easily.

THEY don't need your sympathy nor acceptance WE do.


So let's talk about this. I'm 38 (so close enough to your prescribed age of enlightenment) and it hasn't been easy to reach this point in my life. I grew up within an abusive household. Where I was constantly being hit, verbally accosted, and made fun of for being different. I went to school where I was shoved into walls, punched, put in trash cans, excluded, called "crazy, stupid, weird, etc.". I was taken advantage of many times. Sexually abused by a person who was meant to help me. Placed in one institution after another during my teen years. Attempted suicide more than once. All of it, because I am autistic.

That said, you're more than welcome to complain and moan about "NTs", however when you do, realize some of us don't subscribe to past traumas like a beloved teddy bear. We've moved on. For some of us, who think logically rather than emotionally, each instance or scenario was just that a single instance or scenario that doesn't negate the good ones. As well thinking logically some of us have learned why people do the things they do and found that the story doesn't start where we enter the picture.

No one owes you or anyone sympathy, empathy, acceptance, or the like, you want those things, give it to yourself and those who have wronged you. You might find that you paint the world with less of a broad s**t covered brush if you do. You may even learn to have compassion and understanding outside your immediate needs.



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25 Nov 2017, 2:27 pm

Quite frankly I feel more annoyed at the assumptions autistics make about NTs.


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25 Nov 2017, 2:42 pm

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Quite frankly I feel more annoyed at the assumptions autistics make about NTs.

You shouldn't be annoyed. This site and a few others allow a lot of people to vent about the majority (NT's) and how we are often treated, because we do not fit into THEIR expectations as to how we should fit in to THEIR society. Nobody is saying that all NT's are bad, but we cannot ignore the fact that, as an invisible minority, many NT's cause us endless difficulties. Many people here have had very hard lives, which may well be a daily struggle. Personally, I get through it with medication. I think we can be forgiven for using a fairly neutral term like 'NT'. How many of us have been called much, much worse and not in a neutral way? At work, for instance, many people refer to me as a 'weirdo', but I suspect that's quite mild to what many on here go through.



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25 Nov 2017, 4:11 pm

underwater wrote:
I've been bullied in most jobs I've had as an adult.

I also have some fantastic NT people around me.

Generalizing won't help me.


Similar and not only at work and certainly not only as an adult.

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This site and a few others allow a lot of people to vent about the majority (NT's) and how we are often treated, because we do not fit into THEIR expectations as to how we should fit in to THEIR society. Nobody is saying that all NT's are bad, but we cannot ignore the fact that, as an invisible minority, many NT's cause us endless difficulties. Many people here have had very hard lives, which may well be a daily struggle.

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What I find strange is that aspies came up with the term "neuroTYPICAL" about 98 percent of the population.


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25 Nov 2017, 4:20 pm

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It seems like most of the time many people on WP go on about NT's and the problems they have with them. When it seems unlikely they have spent much if any time around a lot of autistic people to know the difference. Or if there is a difference. Or what the difference is.

It seems like they have only themselves to go by and those who are not like them or are simply people they dislike, those people are "NT's".


There are at least a hundred neurological disorders. So how does one go about diagnosing everyone as not having one of them? Especially since they don't even know what most of them are?

It's like many just have a sci fi fantasy type depiction of themselves vs everyone else, where everyone else is some seperate, and often repugnant, species called "NT's".

Now for the most part they are referring to NTs as people who aren't autistic instead of be of typical neurology. I think the problem is that they are saying all nts are like that when only some of them are. I'd also like to point out that the term NT originated here to describe peopel who are not autistic and therefore it is used in that way.


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25 Nov 2017, 4:34 pm

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Joe90 wrote:
Quite frankly I feel more annoyed at the assumptions autistics make about NTs.

You shouldn't be annoyed. This site and a few others allow a lot of people to vent about the majority (NT's) and how we are often treated, because we do not fit into THEIR expectations as to how we should fit in to THEIR society. Nobody is saying that all NT's are bad, but we cannot ignore the fact that, as an invisible minority, many NT's cause us endless difficulties. Many people here have had very hard lives, which may well be a daily struggle. Personally, I get through it with medication. I think we can be forgiven for using a fairly neutral term like 'NT'. How many of us have been called much, much worse and not in a neutral way? At work, for instance, many people refer to me as a 'weirdo', but I suspect that's quite mild to what many on here go through.

But how does generalizing about a group of people help those who are having hard lives? I would suspect that if anything, it hurts, because it encourages people to hold on to harmful thought patterns, like that everyone is against them. And there's nothing wrong with using the term NT; what's wrong is saying negative things about NT's as a whole.



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25 Nov 2017, 5:00 pm

Why do we all say "NT"?

Because all belong to the knighthood.

And we wont stop... until...we get a shrubbery!