Trump "Autism. Full blown autism." Thoughts?

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30 Nov 2017, 3:37 pm

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Not a chance in hell. Hes a television personality FSS. Of course you think that autism comes from poop bacteria and that big pharma has some conspiracy to keep everyone sick so who cares what you think.


Jim Parsons' character, Sheldon, in The Big Bang Theory, is a TV personality & he's an Aspie both on screen and in real life.

It's not what I think, it what I know. It is definitely exacerbated by an imbalance of intestinal flora. Modern medicine is slowly studying the gut micro-biome & it's correlation to ASD and will slowly but surely prove all of this as time goes on. Probiotic treatments have been tested and observed in ASD presenting mice, I've been doing it for myself for over 4 years now, and eventually medical studies and human trials will be done with groups of Autistic people.




'tested and observed in ASD presenting mice' did they pick out the mice that refused to socialise with the other mice, or give them them all full ASD assessments? :D No wonder I was on the waiting list for ten months.


I didn't conduct the study, how should I know? Google is your friend. Autism Speaks conducted the study I referenced. Go read up on it and contact them if you really want to know.



I was joking :) and no Google is not my friend, it never gets upset when I don't contact it for a while, and it never accuses me of taking it for granted.

I'm not contacting Autism Speaks, they might try to cure me, or have me put down.



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30 Nov 2017, 3:47 pm

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Alas, autistic mice have priority these days. It’s the PC climate...


It's only fair, 10 months is a long time for a mouse, they only live 2-3 years. :D



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29 Apr 2019, 11:55 am

The fact that most news sites claimed dementia shows how NTs look at neurodivergent people who are old: must be dementia. The idea that Trump might have just missed a diagnosis, due to being born in the 40s never occurred to them. There are several things that make me agree, that yes, he does have autism.

He obsessively moves things on the table away from him during meetings.

The clip where he hisses at reporters is actually him stuttering before saying "thank you" at the end of an interview.

His thing about shaking hands

He likes patting people he meets(google it), probably due to an ASD-type compulsion to feel what parts of other people's bodies feel like. I touched people's legs a lot in elementary school.

His general ignorance and mispronunciations.


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30 Apr 2019, 1:09 am

I don't think he has Autism. Autism has become kind of a buzz word/condition so I feel like there's a lot of people out there trying to apply it to anyone that is a little odd or that might show a trait or two. They largely don't seem to think about whether those traits may be the result of another condition or the result of environment & upbringing. Many things I see people mentioning as to why they think he has Autism can mostly be attributed else where IMO.

As far as Baron goes, who could say. Rosie O'Donnell posed the question from watching him being, in my opinion, a normal kid. It was really late and he was undoubtedly bored out of his mind. Since then others tried to pull other behaviors of his but it's not even close to conclusive. But you tell people that and they say, "yeah but it's kind of weird". My response is, "of course he is, look at his parents" seems like a no brained to me. The thing that bugged the hell out of me about the outrage that people were making comments about Barron is that there was hardly anything in defense for the Obama's girls with the slander that had circulated about them.

Jim Parsons is not Autistic nor was the character Sheldon created with the idea that he'd be Autsitic. Johnny Galecki (Leonard) had been reading about it and showed it to Jim because he saw how much it sounded like Sheldon. When the writer was asked they said it wasn't something done with any kind of intent. But I think most kind of consider Sheldon to be an Autistic character.

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'tested and observed in ASD presenting mice' did they pick out the mice that refused to socialise with the other mice, or give them them all full ASD assessments? :D No wonder I was on the waiting list for ten months.

:lmao:

Back to the main topic at hand; Trump is undoubtedly a narcissist. Pretty much anyone in the mental health field worth their salt that isn't brainwashed or corrupt would agree to it. He ticks off the boxes; which is actually pretty unusual to display so many at such extremes. But I don't think people understand just how encompassing narcissistic behavior is.

Things that don't fit in that so well is his general dumbuttery, lack of attention span, misuse of words, wrong pronunciation of various words, jerkoff ignorance (misogynistic, racist, etc) emotional immaturity/cognitively stunted...some you could attribute to Autism but you could to other things as well. I'm more inclined to believe they come from his environment/upbringing and his aging mind crapping out on him.


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30 Apr 2019, 2:36 am

If he is autistic, he is the worst example I have ever seen...



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30 Apr 2019, 3:06 am

NTs often say 'autistic' and mean 'someone I don't like'.

Only politician I've ever been convinced by being autistic is Gordon Brown.

Most politicians are liars and master manipulators. That's how to get ahead in that world, sadly. Even for decent NTs it's hard.

I don't think aspies would feel comfortable coming out with something like 'alternative facts'.



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30 Apr 2019, 10:10 am

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I think not. If you go back to interviews with him from the 80's, he comes across as a regular, low-key dude. Well-spoken and socially-poised. It's always been my opinion that he's playing everyone, that he knows how American politics work, and he's just manipulating the system. He's not an idiot, after all. He's a businessman, and the first job of a businessman is to know the market and exploit it. This is exactly the way I expect a hard-core capitalist to win the presidency. Looking at it from this angle, I've found every one of his moves fascinating. Maybe I'm reading into it too much, though.


Trump has hardly proven himself to be all that knowledgeable about the market.

For example, consider his football team. He took a young football league with potential and killed it in a big hurry with the crazy notion that he can go head to head with the NFL in the fall.

A great many of his other things have crashed big time -- his airline, his steaks, his so-called university, ... .

He spent so much money building his New Jersey casino, that it never had any possibility of success. To have a chance, he would have had to have driven every other competing casino out of business. Then he stiffed the lenders. I have no understanding why anyone would loan money to the deadbeat. Most won't loan him money, but there are a few.

And in his Trump Resorts and Casinos, he clearly never understood the meaning of the term fiduciary responsibility.



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30 Apr 2019, 10:18 am

Highly doubt it.
He has a few traits but seems far from autistic still.


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30 Apr 2019, 10:48 am

I don't think that Trump is likely on the spectrum. His symptoms are a much better match with narcissistic personality disorder than ASD (see below). In my opinion, this is just another case of NT commentators synonymizing rudeness with ASD. When will NTs learn that not all ass hats are aspies?

DSM symptoms of ASD that Trump doesn't appear to have:
- Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines.
- Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus.
- Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypies, lining up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic phrases).
- Deficits in social reciprocity such as failure to initiate or respond to social interactions.
- Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction such as abnormalities in eye contact and body language or a total lack of facial expressions.

DSM symptoms of ASD that Trump might have:
- Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understanding relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts to absence of interest in peers.
- Hyper-reactivity to sensory input (if you think of that Trump light meme)

DSM-5 listed symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder (Trump meets 100%):
- Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from other people
- Fixation on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
- Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions
- Need for continual admiration from others
- Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others
- Exploitation of others to achieve personal gain
- Unwillingness to empathize with the feelings, wishes, and needs of other people
- Intense envy of others, and the belief that others are equally envious of them
- Pompous and arrogant demeanor



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30 Apr 2019, 11:52 am

Trump doesn't really seem autistic to me.


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02 May 2019, 6:45 am

He's too good at manipulating crowd to be on the spectrum.


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02 May 2019, 5:19 pm

Fern wrote:
DSM symptoms of ASD that Trump doesn't appear to have:
- Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus.

Yes he does, "fake news", immigration/"build that wall"
Tollorin wrote:
He's too good at manipulating crowd to be on the spectrum.

More then that, extraordinary ability, more than nearly all the "experts" to understand a large part of the American electorate.


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02 May 2019, 8:20 pm

I disagree with the OP.
maybe he's just an assh*le.
in 'Breakfast of Champions" Kurt Vonnegut introduced his drawing of an assh*le. it looked like an asterisk to me.
from then on I read the character string (*.*- for all files) as "a**hole dot a**hole".
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02 May 2019, 8:26 pm

Don't care, just want him, Pence and the rest of the mafiocracy long gone.



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04 May 2019, 10:38 pm

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I think those who make assessments like that, don't really understand what autism is. Whether diagnosing themselves or others. Full blown autism is what I have and it's severely debilitating. It goes well beyond being socially awkward.


I have full blown autism too. Why is it that whenever someone is "weird" or "awkward" people automatically think they are autistic?



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06 May 2019, 4:16 am

livingwithautism wrote:
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I think those who make assessments like that, don't really understand what autism is. Whether diagnosing themselves or others. Full blown autism is what I have and it's severely debilitating. It goes well beyond being socially awkward.


I have full blown autism too. Why is it that whenever someone is "weird" or "awkward" people automatically think they are autistic?


I guess they're going by what they consider to be "aspie-like" traits.