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EzraS
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30 Jul 2018, 5:03 am

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Also one must go to college, get a degree and spend years in the field of autism research, before making claims about discovering what causes autism and discovering how to treat it.


EzraS, how do you explain multiple recent ASD articles/studies confirming everything I shared here 5 years ago if I made it all up? Everything from the intestinal gut dysbiosis cause, to salicylate acid sensitivity, to inherited gut bacteria, probiotics & intestinal cleanses as treatment and on and on. It’s all out there now in mainstream science for anyone to read.


None of those studies mention you because you have nothing to do with them.

And others were posting to WP about autism treatment via probiotics before you.

My own doctor put me on probiotics a long time ago which of course had absolutely nothing to do with your years long repetitive routine on WP.


B- Bu- But Goldfish21 discovered it first, perhaps he needs to sue in court to re-establish his righteous role as first to bellyache about bellyaches.


And apparently none of that was detailed and chronicled on a step by step basis in a scientific type online journal. It all seems to be scattered and buried throughout 8500 posts to WP, many of which have nothing to do with the subject. So apparently one is supposed to sift through all that and collate it.



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30 Jul 2018, 5:05 am

EzraS wrote:
RichardJ wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Also one must go to college, get a degree and spend years in the field of autism research, before making claims about discovering what causes autism and discovering how to treat it.


EzraS, how do you explain multiple recent ASD articles/studies confirming everything I shared here 5 years ago if I made it all up? Everything from the intestinal gut dysbiosis cause, to salicylate acid sensitivity, to inherited gut bacteria, probiotics & intestinal cleanses as treatment and on and on. It’s all out there now in mainstream science for anyone to read.


None of those studies mention you because you have nothing to do with them.

And others were posting to WP about autism treatment via probiotics before you.

My own doctor put me on probiotics a long time ago which of course had absolutely nothing to do with your years long repetitive routine on WP.


B- Bu- But Goldfish21 discovered it first, perhaps he needs to sue in court to re-establish his righteous role as first to bellyache about bellyaches.


And apparently none of that was detailed and chronicled on a step by step basis in a scientific type online journal. It all seems to be scattered and buried throughout 8500 posts, many of which have nothing to do with the subject. Which apparently one is supposed to sift through.

Yes, aggregated research at it's finest. Yes folks, it doesn't get better than this.


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30 Jul 2018, 5:20 am

RichardJ wrote:
EzraS wrote:
RichardJ wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Also one must go to college, get a degree and spend years in the field of autism research, before making claims about discovering what causes autism and discovering how to treat it.


EzraS, how do you explain multiple recent ASD articles/studies confirming everything I shared here 5 years ago if I made it all up? Everything from the intestinal gut dysbiosis cause, to salicylate acid sensitivity, to inherited gut bacteria, probiotics & intestinal cleanses as treatment and on and on. It’s all out there now in mainstream science for anyone to read.


None of those studies mention you because you have nothing to do with them.

And others were posting to WP about autism treatment via probiotics before you.

My own doctor put me on probiotics a long time ago which of course had absolutely nothing to do with your years long repetitive routine on WP.


B- Bu- But Goldfish21 discovered it first, perhaps he needs to sue in court to re-establish his righteous role as first to bellyache about bellyaches.


And apparently none of that was detailed and chronicled on a step by step basis in a scientific type online journal. It all seems to be scattered and buried throughout 8500 posts, many of which have nothing to do with the subject. Which apparently one is supposed to sift through.

Yes, aggregated research at it's finest. Yes folks, it doesn't get better than this.


You must be astonished that my mom didn't jump at his offer for her to make a 5 hour round trip across an international border to confer with him in his house.



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30 Jul 2018, 5:25 am

EzraS wrote:
RichardJ wrote:
EzraS wrote:
RichardJ wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Also one must go to college, get a degree and spend years in the field of autism research, before making claims about discovering what causes autism and discovering how to treat it.


EzraS, how do you explain multiple recent ASD articles/studies confirming everything I shared here 5 years ago if I made it all up? Everything from the intestinal gut dysbiosis cause, to salicylate acid sensitivity, to inherited gut bacteria, probiotics & intestinal cleanses as treatment and on and on. It’s all out there now in mainstream science for anyone to read.


None of those studies mention you because you have nothing to do with them.

And others were posting to WP about autism treatment via probiotics before you.

My own doctor put me on probiotics a long time ago which of course had absolutely nothing to do with your years long repetitive routine on WP.


B- Bu- But Goldfish21 discovered it first, perhaps he needs to sue in court to re-establish his righteous role as first to bellyache about bellyaches.


And apparently none of that was detailed and chronicled on a step by step basis in a scientific type online journal. It all seems to be scattered and buried throughout 8500 posts, many of which have nothing to do with the subject. Which apparently one is supposed to sift through.

Yes, aggregated research at it's finest. Yes folks, it doesn't get better than this.


You must be astonished that my mom didn't jump at his offer for her to make a 5 hour round trip across an international border to confer with him in his house.


Astonished indeed, you and her surely must have missed out on at least a free dinner of whatever wonderful tasting items are included in the gut dysbiosis autism cure diet.


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30 Jul 2018, 8:59 am

@EzraS:

Why do you carry on suggesting I am an actor? :?

Why do you carry on suggesting my posts are scripted? :? Scripted by who? :? Some maker of probiotic supplements? Some producer of organic apple cider vinegar? Seriously, wtf? :?

Essentially, your baseless accusations are nothing more than a violation of the forum rules re: personal attacks.

If you truly believed that I am Fake News, you’d have even a shred of evidence to back up your statements & then at that point they would be perfectly acceptable. But in reality, I am, and have always been, telling the truth about what I’ve learned and done, so your allegations that I am as fake as Donald Trump’s allegiance to the United States are simply insults intended as personal attacks trying to upset me or w/e you expect to get out of it & it’s just rather sad, really.

Still not sure what your motivations are for opposing someone helping others like them by sharing what treats these symptoms. I have some theories, though, but unlike the things I share about my own health and my ability to maintain high functioning levels with probiotics etc, or toggle worsening symptoms back on via doxycycline, any statements I might make about your motivations would be best guesses vs statements of medical fact and I’m not about to go speculating about anything.

Glad to hear you made some contributions to NASA, though. That’s super cool. :)


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30 Jul 2018, 9:16 am

When the time comes when "gut dysbiosis" is proven to be the cause of autism, and that probiotics is the proper "treatment," then you could gloat, and say "I told you so."

Continue your contacts with those neuropharmacological/neurowhatever people. They might prove fruitful for you. If you're getting responses, you're ahead of the game.

As of now, it's probably best if you just let the process leading to the above conclusion proceed at its own pace.



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30 Jul 2018, 9:26 am

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Mental health is billed by the media as being in a state of crisis, yet it is the only branch of medicine where a self-diagnosis is not heavily scrutinized. If we had people diagnosing themselves with cancer and perusing treatment by fetching a vintage color TV set and removing the shielding around the high voltage circuitry for the radiation as make-shift radio-therapy it would be all over the news, but people self-diagnosing themselves with some disorder and smoking weed and/or popping all the vitamin pills in the store aisle is accepted by society. Just think of how many times you hear the cringe-worthy statement "I'm a little OCD", usually a statement on the person's ignorance of the subject(and grammar).


People self diagnose ailments such as the a cold or the flu or OCD and depression all the time without media scrutiny and without the criticism from other people diagnosed with OCD, depression, and the flu that self diagnosed autistics get from many professionally diagnosed autistics dispite that it is generally easier to afford and find a competent person to diagnose these other conditions.

If you think Goldfish is trolling report him for cross posting.

General debate about the merits of self diagnosis is allowable. Personal attacks on a member and constant attacks on how a member identifies is not supposed to be accepted. But in Goldfish’s case an exception has clearly been made. The moderators need to step in and put a stop to this as it is dragging the board down and if they don’t other members who do like what he advocates or how he goes about posting need to ignore him.


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30 Jul 2018, 9:30 am

I don't think Goldfish is a troll.

I just think he does what I used to do....continue the argument far too long.

He has a position---but others don't agree.

I would have withdrawn a long time ago, and gone on to something else.

Even if I saw Jesus, and he told me I must repent, I wouldn't go around saying that others should "repent," too.



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30 Jul 2018, 9:35 am

EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Also one must go to college, get a degree and spend years in the field of autism research, before making claims about discovering what causes autism and discovering how to treat it.


EzraS, how do you explain multiple recent ASD articles/studies confirming everything I shared here 5 years ago if I made it all up? Everything from the intestinal gut dysbiosis cause, to salicylate acid sensitivity, to inherited gut bacteria, probiotics & intestinal cleanses as treatment and on and on. It’s all out there now in mainstream science for anyone to read.


None of those studies mention you because you have nothing to do with them.

And others were posting to WP about autism treatment via probiotics before you.

My own doctor put me on probiotics a long time ago which of course had absolutely nothing to do with your years long repetitive routine on WP.


Thanks for proving my point that the science is sound. Research doctors around the world are observing and reporting the exact same things I shared 5 years ago because they are facts.

I never claimed to be first nor the one and only, merely someone here that figured it out and shared it freely with those it can help most. I don’t want fame nor fortune for this, hence not asking for money or even telling you my name until a couple months ago. I’m simply someone on the spectrum determined to help others on the spectrum, that’s it that’s all.


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30 Jul 2018, 9:37 am

goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Also one must go to college, get a degree and spend years in the field of autism research, before making claims about discovering what causes autism and discovering how to treat it.
EzraS, how do you explain multiple recent ASD articles/studies confirming everything I shared here 5 years ago if I made it all up? Everything from the intestinal gut dysbiosis cause, to salicylate acid sensitivity, to inherited gut bacteria, probiotics & intestinal cleanses as treatment and on and on. It’s all out there now in mainstream science for anyone to read.
None of those studies mention you because you have nothing to do with them. And others were posting to WP about autism treatment via probiotics before you. My own doctor put me on probiotics a long time ago which of course had absolutely nothing to do with your years long repetitive routine on WP.
Thanks for proving my point that the science is sound. Research doctors around the world are observing and reporting the exact same things I shared 5 years ago because they are facts. I never claimed to be first nor the one and only, merely someone here that figured it out and shared it freely with those it can help most. I don’t want fame nor fortune for this, hence not asking for money or even telling you my name until a couple months ago. I’m simply someone on the spectrum determined to help others on the spectrum, that’s it that’s all.
He's only 17, Fish; what could he know?


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30 Jul 2018, 9:38 am

If this proves to be a massively successful treatment for autism, I wouldn't want the train to stop, either....



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30 Jul 2018, 10:25 am

goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Also one must go to college, get a degree and spend years in the field of autism research, before making claims about discovering what causes autism and discovering how to treat it.


EzraS, how do you explain multiple recent ASD articles/studies confirming everything I shared here 5 years ago if I made it all up? Everything from the intestinal gut dysbiosis cause, to salicylate acid sensitivity, to inherited gut bacteria, probiotics & intestinal cleanses as treatment and on and on. It’s all out there now in mainstream science for anyone to read.


None of those studies mention you because you have nothing to do with them.

And others were posting to WP about autism treatment via probiotics before you.

My own doctor put me on probiotics a long time ago which of course had absolutely nothing to do with your years long repetitive routine on WP.


Thanks for proving my point that the science is sound. Research doctors around the world are observing and reporting the exact same things I shared 5 years ago because they are facts.

I never claimed to be first nor the one and only, merely someone here that figured it out and shared it freely with those it can help most. I don’t want fame nor fortune for this, hence not asking for money or even telling you my name until a couple months ago. I’m simply someone on the spectrum determined to help others on the spectrum, that’s it that’s all.


You have a long history of repetitive locked threads that are all loaded with negative feedback from very many users. That alone should say it all.

And most of the negative feedback you've gotten seems to be about you, not the science.



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30 Jul 2018, 10:46 am

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When the time comes when "gut dysbiosis" is proven to be the cause of autism, and that probiotics is the proper "treatment," then you could gloat, and say "I told you so."

Continue your contacts with those neuropharmacological/neurowhatever people. They might prove fruitful for you. If you're getting responses, you're ahead of the game.

As of now, it's probably best if you just let the process leading to the above conclusion proceed at its own pace.


What difference would it make? Substitute "gut dysbiosis" for something that's been firmly proven and established.

That subject matter endlessly spammed in the same incessant manic annoying manner, would get just as much negative feedback. The old saying is "don't shoot the messenger". But in this case it's the messenger, rather than the message, that's the problem.



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30 Jul 2018, 10:50 am

The messenger sometimes does shoot himself in the foot.

Like I used to in the old days----and continue to on an occasional basis.

The key is to learn to back off---and to allow the process to proceed.



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30 Jul 2018, 11:01 am

Yeah, but what fun would that be?

This is basically the same thing as the guy who's made countless threads about going to college.

Or the guy who's made countless threads saying he's going to kill himself.

Or if someone made countless threads about how they're leaving WP.

It's all about the attention. And for whatever reason, negative attention seems preferred.



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30 Jul 2018, 11:04 am

So ... don't feed the trolls.


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