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03 Jul 2019, 5:38 pm

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If people want to be really honest, those forms asking about gender will not stop at M/F/G/L/B/TS, but have to continue on for columns worth of every kink known to humanity to check off. How else could the people affected explain that what really matters to them is not the gender, but the feet or the hair?


One's gender identity isn't a kink though. When you create a character for a game and pick traits like height, weight, gender, etc, are you thinking of it merely in a sexualized way, or is it just part of who they are?


I play solitaire, and don't think much about the face cards being sexual. I wouldn't mind the nitpicking about gender if bisexuals were as stable as fetishists, but those I know change according to opportunity, not inner direction.



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03 Jul 2019, 5:48 pm

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Dear_one wrote:
If people want to be really honest, those forms asking about gender will not stop at M/F/G/L/B/TS, but have to continue on for columns worth of every kink known to humanity to check off. How else could the people affected explain that what really matters to them is not the gender, but the feet or the hair?


One's gender identity isn't a kink though. When you create a character for a game and pick traits like height, weight, gender, etc, are you thinking of it merely in a sexualized way, or is it just part of who they are?


I play solitaire, and don't think much about the face cards being sexual. I wouldn't mind the nitpicking about gender if bisexuals were as stable as fetishists, but those I know change according to opportunity, not inner direction.


I'm not sure what bisexuality has to do with gender identity. Sexual orientation is a separate aspect of one's identity from gender.


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03 Jul 2019, 5:56 pm

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I'm not sure what bisexuality has to do with gender identity. Sexual orientation is a separate aspect of one's identity from gender.


OK, now I have zero idea about what you are thinking, and I'm more interested in learning calculus.



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03 Jul 2019, 6:04 pm

Dear_one wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:

I'm not sure what bisexuality has to do with gender identity. Sexual orientation is a separate aspect of one's identity from gender.


OK, now I have zero idea about what you are thinking, and I'm more interested in learning calculus.


I think the problem is that you had zero idea what you were talking about with your initial comment and clearly have no interest in learning why your initial understanding was flawed. If you don't have any interest in learning about a topic, why post about it at all? If I posted some butchered interpretation of how to play some game and someone pointed out that I wasn't even close to correct, I'd expect to be corrected. If I didn't want to be corrected I'd refrain from leaving that post.

Here's the condensed version:

Kinks, fetishes and fantasies have nothing to do with gender identity. Gender identity is basically a matter of do you identify as a man, as a woman or as something else (neutral, mixed, etc)?
What you like to do in bed and who you'd like to do it with is immaterial to that question.


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04 Jul 2019, 4:16 am

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Define "honest"

Mister redelings had the nerve to tell me that it was "lying"" for me to ask him to call me "he" instead of "she'

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Just because someone does not believe it, doesn't mean it's "lying"


Wow.

I'm going to be honest with you. I didn't know you were a biological female who self-identifies as male. I remember once you mentioned being post-menopausal and too old to have children, and I didn't get it. I remember thinking, "Male menopause isn't the same as actual menopause in women. What the hell is this short, fat, and bald guy talking about with his being post-menopausal?" The truth is, some confusion will arise when a person is biologically X but self-identifies as Y.

My honesty here, like in real life, is not intended to offend. But even here I'll catch flack for being "too honest."


A good rule of thumb to remember: if you're arguing with someone over their gender identity, you're already clearly wrong and they're not lying to you; the longer you draw the argument out the worse you'll appear.


You seem to be implying I was arguing with someone over their gender identity. Rather, I was being honest with someone about misunderstanding their prior statements, as I took a self-identified male for biologically male, and didn't realize it was otherwise until I read that post. Now the post-menopausal thing makes sense (I think I explained all of this).

I don't really care how anyone self-identifies. It's all up to them. Wasn't arguing, merely clarifying.

Moreover, your opinion is just that: an opinion; and I think you missed my point entirely. Cool in, sister.



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04 Jul 2019, 11:56 am

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
Define "honest"

Mister redelings had the nerve to tell me that it was "lying"" for me to ask him to call me "he" instead of "she'

San Diego 2006 civil engineer

Just because someone does not believe it, doesn't mean it's "lying"


Wow.

I'm going to be honest with you. I didn't know you were a biological female who self-identifies as male. I remember once you mentioned being post-menopausal and too old to have children, and I didn't get it. I remember thinking, "Male menopause isn't the same as actual menopause in women. What the hell is this short, fat, and bald guy talking about with his being post-menopausal?" The truth is, some confusion will arise when a person is biologically X but self-identifies as Y.

My honesty here, like in real life, is not intended to offend. But even here I'll catch flack for being "too honest."


A good rule of thumb to remember: if you're arguing with someone over their gender identity, you're already clearly wrong and they're not lying to you; the longer you draw the argument out the worse you'll appear.


You seem to be implying I was arguing with someone over their gender identity. Rather, I was being honest with someone about misunderstanding their prior statements, as I took a self-identified male for biologically male, and didn't realize it was otherwise until I read that post. Now the post-menopausal thing makes sense (I think I explained all of this).

I don't really care how anyone self-identifies. It's all up to them. Wasn't arguing, merely clarifying.

Moreover, your opinion is just that: an opinion; and I think you missed my point entirely. Cool in, sister.


Calm down son, it's just a general rule of thumb, nothing personal. You're free to disregard it, but do so at your own peril.


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04 Jul 2019, 12:15 pm

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^^ The world is overpopulated, so people whose genes leave them confused about gender are being exploited as trend-setters.

WTF are you talking about?

Not that I am like offended or anything. I just get the feeling that you are assuming that the reader knows reams of stuff that you're leaving out, that the reader in fact is not likely to know.



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04 Jul 2019, 12:16 pm

What?! No! I had no idea most people weren't honest, especially politicians and advertisers.

But then again, I was also shocked to learn recently that water is wet.

Sarcasm. Duh! :roll:



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04 Jul 2019, 3:57 pm

Dear_one wrote:
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I'm not sure what bisexuality has to do with gender identity. Sexual orientation is a separate aspect of one's identity from gender.


OK, now I have zero idea about what you are thinking, and I'm more interested in learning calculus.


I am with him. What you said made no sense. 'Bisexual' means desiring sex with either men or women. It does NOT mean that you have two gender identities. That is it means you are inbetween gay and straight. Not inbetween male and female in identity. That would be transgender, or intergender.



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04 Jul 2019, 4:01 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Dear_one wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:

I'm not sure what bisexuality has to do with gender identity. Sexual orientation is a separate aspect of one's identity from gender.


OK, now I have zero idea about what you are thinking, and I'm more interested in learning calculus.


I am with him. What you said made no sense. 'Bisexual' means desiring sex with either men or women. It does NOT mean that you have two gender identities. That is it means you are inbetween gay and straight. Not inbetween male and female in identity. That would be transgender, or intergender.


I get that, he didn't appear to get that based on his post I was responding to.

Dear_one wrote:
If people want to be really honest, those forms asking about gender will not stop at M/F/G/L/B/TS, but have to continue on for columns worth of every kink known to humanity to check off. How else could the people affected explain that what really matters to them is not the gender, but the feet or the hair?


Understand the context now?


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Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.


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04 Jul 2019, 4:36 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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Dear_one wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:

I'm not sure what bisexuality has to do with gender identity. Sexual orientation is a separate aspect of one's identity from gender.


OK, now I have zero idea about what you are thinking, and I'm more interested in learning calculus.


I am with him. What you said made no sense. 'Bisexual' means desiring sex with either men or women. It does NOT mean that you have two gender identities. That is it means you are inbetween gay and straight. Not inbetween male and female in identity. That would be transgender, or intergender.


I get that, he didn't appear to get that based on his post I was responding to.

Dear_one wrote:
If people want to be really honest, those forms asking about gender will not stop at M/F/G/L/B/TS, but have to continue on for columns worth of every kink known to humanity to check off. How else could the people affected explain that what really matters to them is not the gender, but the feet or the hair?


Understand the context now?


Yeah sorta.



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04 Jul 2019, 10:21 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
What?! No! I had no idea most people weren't honest, especially politicians and advertisers.

But then again, I was also shocked to learn recently that water is wet.

Sarcasm. Duh! :roll:


How did you know?