who here lives in the sticks because cities are too costly?

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21 Sep 2020, 10:19 pm

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So $4 gets you 425g and 0.90c gets you 95g
https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/brow ... anned-tuna

142 grams here [5 oz.] costs as little as .69 cents if you shop around. most of the time .79 cents. have not seen larger cans here. the big spenders here instead opt for 10 oz. cans of chicken for about $1.60.

Aussie dollar is worth 0.73c US So in american currency - 95g gets you 66c US so 142g of Aussie tuna costs 0.98 c in US currency So our tuna is about 20c more expensive for 142g

are you in a less-expensive, or more expensive part of Australia?

Melbourne certainly has a higher cost of living compared to other parts of Australia.

ah, so Melbourne is prolly equivalent to, say, Seattle or DC or LA. the most crazy expensive cities here are san fran and NYC.

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21 Sep 2020, 10:53 pm

Yeah I think that's fair to compare Melbourne to Seattle or even NY in some parts based on the cost of housing affordability

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21 Sep 2020, 11:34 pm

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Yeah I think that's fair to compare Melbourne to Seattle or even NY in some parts based on the cost of housing affordability

in seattle it is official, you must earn 6+ figures to afford to live there. as a result, the interstate freeway between seattle and its vastly more affordable "bedroom communities" [tacoma and olympia] is daily jammed at parking lot speed from before dark to after dark.

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22 Sep 2020, 12:10 am

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In the UK living out in the sticks seems to be more expensive than living in the cities and larger towns. It seems that they like to lump the average working class and the poor together, while the richer and more advantaged get to live the quiet and private life away from all the noise, crime and pollution.

I would think that living in rural areas would be more expensive because you have to drive everywhere and drive longer distance to get to places. And the weird thing is in Montana, things are cheaper there, even my own son noticed so he asked me why things were so cheap there and I was proud of him for asking because it meant he was understanding money and could understand the numbers. But yet Montana is still expensive because of gas and how you have to drive everywhere, the wages are low, many people there just don't make much money and if you live in a regular sized house you would find in a city, you are "rich," same as if you live out in the country out of town, you're "rich." In Montana, lot of poor people and those with low income lived in towns and some even car pooled for work and once they got their paycheck, they would all go clock out just to put their check in the bank because they really needed that money. And also even small towns in Montana were considered dangerous because of where most crimes would occur and also driving out on country roads was the most dangerous because of people being stupid. "No traffic, get let's go fast, oh no, we spun out of control and ran off the road/Oh that car came out of nowhere."

I had noticed while living there that most car wrecks seemed to have happen outside of town anyway on country roads. I never had put any thought into it until I found articles online saying how Montana is one of the most dangerous states to drive in and I read those articles and saw "oh, the roads are dangerous there because of people being stupid, not the roads itself."

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22 Sep 2020, 12:17 am

it has been my experience that housing in montana is pretty steep compared to mason county wa.

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22 Sep 2020, 1:37 am

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it has been my experience that housing in montana is pretty steep compared to mason county wa.

Probably for the area while it would cost a lot more in Washington. Even a $400,000 house in Montana is rich and that is pretty fancy for a house there. I wonder what jobs do people have to have to live in that nice house with such low price because that is very expensive for Montana because of their low wages. My mom who worked as a nurse made $20 something an hour while here in Oregon, she was making nearly $50 an hour.

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22 Sep 2020, 2:04 am

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it has been my experience that housing in montana is pretty steep compared to mason county wa.

i know at least in Hamilton, there is a federal research lab with lotsa 6-figure a year GS-15 [civil service and contract] PhD scientists working there. those would be the people who live in those $400k mini-mansions, in addition to your typical doctors and lawyers and entrepreneurial types.

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22 Sep 2020, 2:56 am

In Montana, everyone assumed my parents were rich. I told her "But mom, you guys built a 4,000 sq foot house and you lived on a farm and you owned another house, of course they thought you were rich. That is rich for Montana."
My parents sold their house in Washington and used that money towards the house they had built. But my parents were living paycheck to paycheck to paycheck then so she said we were poor and that is why we didn't go on trips anymore as we used. I disagree because they still managed to save money so we could go to Vegas and go to California, and we still went to our family reunion, and did local trips in Montana and we went to Canada, we went to movies, not paycheck to paycheck to me. Plus we still got Christmas.

Rich is relative.

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22 Sep 2020, 3:31 am

"rich" to me is anything above working class, where you can have late model cars and live in roomy houses in good repair, your own house paid for, late model cars paid for, cadillac plan health insurance, the usual upper-middle class stuff. i've never been middle class.

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22 Sep 2020, 4:04 am

Sure you have to "drive everywhere" but you don't have to drive every time. When money was tight, I got it down to eight shopping trips per year. I bought insurance for just those days, and still do my own car maintenance, so my total travel expense was under $500 pa. There are people in Alaska who only shop by mail, and get one delivery a year.

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22 Sep 2020, 4:52 am

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There are people in Alaska that will fly to Anchorage every three months to shop at Wal Mart and then they bring it all back on the plane. I just assume they rent a car and then use their own car when they landed back.

Plane tickets must be pretty cheap there if they can afford to do it and their food and diapers are very pricey as well. Living in Alaska is very expensive. That is because it all has to be shipped there and you can't get to lot of towns by car. You need a plane.

In Montana and anywhere where towns are very isolated, when people live in isolated towns and they live 90 miles or more from the nearest town with a real grocery store, they will travel to town with a bunch of coolers and buy 3 months supply of food and buy ice for their coolers and even freeze their milk and other things at their house. We never had to do this because our Safeway was 11 miles away and we lived an hour from Missoula and we had a Wal Mart 11 miles away too but it was a small one.

Now where I live, I only go two miles to a grocery store.

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22 Sep 2020, 5:09 am

You can also live off the land, as billions of people do with almost zero cash.

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22 Sep 2020, 5:46 am

When I was growing up this was the sticks now it has turned into slumburbia where all the moronic people move to who have no clue how to live in a village.

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22 Sep 2020, 5:57 am

maycontainthunder wrote:

When I was growing up this was the sticks now it has turned into slumburbia where all the moronic people move to who have no clue how to live in a village.

Bryce Muir summed up the people from Boston moving to Maine very well: "They want to get ahead, not get along."

It is a rule of thumb that a new suburb is politically inert for five years.

I used Google Earth to re-visit some former homes, and the sand dunes where I used to play are a suburb now.

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22 Sep 2020, 6:38 am

Down here, even Dallas and Austin have gotten uber-pricey.

Houston and San Antonio are still somewhat cheap, though the portions of SA that are officially in the Hill Country are expensive.

El Paso is dirt cheap, but their economy isn't that great.

America needs a housing program similar to Sweden's Million Program from the 1950s-60s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Programme

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