I need to move to a country that isn't insane

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29 Dec 2020, 3:17 pm

According to the Peter Principle, people get promoted until they land in a job they can't really handle, where they stay for the rest of their career. That alone is enough to make countries insane overall, with most of the people in charge out of their depth. Add in the various anti-social cheaters and the chaos caused by the growth and decline of entire technologies, and it is game over.



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29 Dec 2020, 3:59 pm

Peter was a pessimist.......but some of the writings bear merit , and must agree .


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29 Dec 2020, 4:13 pm

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I think all countries have crazies in them and corruption. I thought maybe Pitcairn island would be safe but I just recently heard about sex assault trials that went on there in 2004. So even with a population of 50, there are still people who are f****d. I don't think there is a country that isn't insane unless you move somewhere that is inhibited by people. But then there will be no food supply and no internet and no cars, nothing. It will be just like living like the cave men and you would have to build your own hit out of wood and leaves if you decide to live somewhere tropical like Henderson Island but I hear that island gets hit with trash pollution. I assume all the trash floats to it and washes a shore.


They’re all descendants of the Bounty mutineers, so there’s almost certainly some inbreeding going on as well.


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29 Dec 2020, 4:18 pm

I got a laugh out of the title (pretty much you're screwed - countries imply human populations).

I'm ready to say 'throw me on an O'Niell cylinder, I'll be happy to help colonize space'.

Part of being human is being batisht crazy, and if you're not batisht crazy then you're liable to get a DSM or syndrome diagnosis of some type for not being Darwinian enough.


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29 Dec 2020, 5:19 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I got a laugh out of the title (pretty much you're screwed - countries imply human populations).

I'm ready to say 'throw me on an O'Niell cylinder, I'll be happy to help colonize space'.

Part of being human is being batisht crazy, and if you're not batisht crazy then you're liable to get a DSM or syndrome diagnosis of some type for not being Darwinian enough.


I've been thinking about that too for some time. But what are the odds that such an option will available in my lifetime? and available to people of below average means like myself in particular?

Besides, wouldn't the O'Neill cylinder be populated by humans as well?



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29 Dec 2020, 5:27 pm

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Besides, wouldn't the O'Neill cylinder be populated by humans as well?

I've probably been watching a bit too much Isaac Arthur lately but he had this idea that we'd have far more humans living between earth and the moon in O'Niell cylinders than we would on earth eventually. I'd have to figure each cylinder would have a maximum number of people for sustainable living but it's hard to say. I'd definitely want to fight for one with only one or two other people on it.

Also yeah, probably won't be an option in our lifetimes.


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29 Dec 2020, 5:45 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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Besides, wouldn't the O'Neill cylinder be populated by humans as well?

I've probably been watching a bit too much Isaac Arthur lately but he had this idea that we'd have far more humans living between earth and the moon in O'Niell cylinders than we would on earth eventually. I'd have to figure each cylinder would have a maximum number of people for sustainable living but it's hard to say. I'd definitely want to fight for one with only one or two other people on it.

Also yeah, probably won't be an option in our lifetimes.


You lack a fundamental understanding of the concept.

The O'Neil space colonies are envisioned as be paired cylinders counter rotating (to create artificial gravity on the inner surfaces of the outer part) in one structure orbited at the Lagrange points (where gravity would be stable in the earth-moon system). "Home home on Lagrange".

The first ones would be small, and then progressively get bigger. But even the early small ones would house thousands, and the project would climax with cylinders that be miles long, and would house literally millions.

These would truly be "cities in the sky". Not little space capsules. So you would not get either solitude nor only couple campanions. If anything you would more in everyone else's business in the city than you would as an earthbound city dweller.

But if these things actually materialize there would probably be a different mix of personalities than you would find in an earthbound city. Certain personality types would make it in such an environment and not other. So you might be more compatible with space beer can dwellers, or you might be less compatible.



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29 Dec 2020, 5:57 pm

How about simply jacking out of the internet.

Neurodiversity is a two way street. Conservatism is very much determined by personality.

The popularity of conservative attitudes is in direct correlation with left wingers trying to force their way of thinking on others. It's also heavily linked to the social dominance of the planet by techies in super wealthy cities.

While conservatives are irritating/boring, they are far easier to "figure out". They generally have consistent sets of behavior that are easy to figure out. Liberals on the other hand are much more inconsistent. They can be incredibly tolerant but they get far too much joy out of changing the social rules of society, making things far more complicated than they need to be.

PC culture being a prime example of how much pleasure nt liberals get out of making things infintely confusing for absolutely no other reason than the enjoyment of trends.

I on average am a liberal, my friends/family are all liberals, and I find their environments to be far far enjoyable than pick up trucks and nascar.

I think a massive proportion of the problem is the fact that so many nts are forced into IT, and they absolutely hate it. Punching down on rural hicks is just a great way of justifying their burdensome overly complex jobs.

Unironically the modern left is hostile to the biology of neurological behavior.

I absolutely believe that a massive proportion of the problem is urban leftists trying to push their misery onto the rest of the population.

People in 2020 don't get depressed, anxious or said, they turn toxic and dump all their misery into politics, which in turn creates even more misery.

The equation of diversity is simple. Conservatives do not like change. Let them be, they'll retreat into football, and country music and leave everyone alone if the left stops this moral crusade. The nt left is militant in their belief that change isn't just fun but a morally superior behavior.

You can't blame radical change on a constant, it's simple logic. Conservatives by definition want things to stay the same. Forcing change is psychotic, unless is directly needed.



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29 Dec 2020, 6:03 pm

Which Country would better .. would like to know .get me a ticket please ....I d like a less politically difficult one.
One where people could get a fair shake.


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29 Dec 2020, 6:12 pm

I have heard that people in Tokyo identify with their nearest subway station, and that each such village has a distinct culture. This makes it easier to at least live among like-minded people. I have always tried to live among artists, where eccentricity is less noticeable.



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29 Dec 2020, 6:31 pm

The answer is not here. :lol:


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29 Dec 2020, 7:06 pm

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The O'Neil space colonies are envisioned as be paired cylinders counter rotating (to create artificial gravity on the inner surfaces of the outer part) in one structure orbited at the Lagrange points (where gravity would be stable in the earth-moon system). "Home home on Lagrange".

The first ones would be small, and then progressively get bigger. But even the early small ones would house thousands, and the project would climax with cylinders that be miles long, and would house literally millions.

Wouldn't they need to be self-sufficient though early on? Maybe that's what's throwing me - the idea that they'd need to do their own farming which would limit occupancy. At a minimum costs for launching food from earth would be prohibitive.


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30 Dec 2020, 3:42 am

dorkseid wrote:
Benjamin the Donkey wrote:
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shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
Peace corps

Join the military

Teach english in a different country


I'm too old to join the military, and I certainly don't want to go anywhere Peace Corps would send me.

I thought about teaching English in another country for years. I have a TESOL.

But I'm hesitant to go somewhere I don't know anybody and don't speak the language. And there's little or no demand for English teachers anywhere I would want to go. The biggest market for English teachers is in Southeast Asia, and that part of the world is particularly hostile to people struggling with mental illness.


1. Autism is not a mental illness.
2. My son and I are both on the spectrum and live quite well in Taiwan.


1. I am diagnosed with major depression and anxiety disorder and am prone to emotional meltdowns.
2. You have your son with you. That's family support. I don't have that.


I just mentioned my son to point out that Taiwan is not particularly hostile to people with mental differences--or illnesses, for that matter. No more than the U.S. anyway, and certainly better than backward-thinking China or super-conformist Japan. I know many people here who have openly discussed their depression, anxiety, etc.


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30 Dec 2020, 4:06 am

^^ I have a friend who actually did go from Canada to Taiwan to teach English, around 30 years ago, His girlfriend stayed behind to sell their furniture and pack. She was all set to follow him when he wrote that the air pollution was just too bad, and he was coming back.



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30 Dec 2020, 4:51 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
The O'Neil space colonies are envisioned as be paired cylinders counter rotating (to create artificial gravity on the inner surfaces of the outer part) in one structure orbited at the Lagrange points (where gravity would be stable in the earth-moon system). "Home home on Lagrange".

The first ones would be small, and then progressively get bigger. But even the early small ones would house thousands, and the project would climax with cylinders that be miles long, and would house literally millions.

Wouldn't they need to be self-sufficient though early on? Maybe that's what's throwing me - the idea that they'd need to do their own farming which would limit occupancy. At a minimum costs for launching food from earth would be prohibitive.


Exactly. As a community they would need to be self sufficient . Which would mean as a community they would have to do their own agriculture and industry to be economically independent. And it takes people to do farming, and do industry, and to rocket out to the asteroid belt to get iron ore (because doing that would cheaper than bring pig iron up from the earth). Which would require thousands of people to cooperate in a rigidly disciplined project- like if the crew of navy ship were to have to build their own ship. It would be as opposite of "being alone" as you could possibly be. If you want to live the life of a hermit it would be the opposite of what you want.



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30 Dec 2020, 5:36 am

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Exactly. As a community they would need to be self sufficient . Which would mean as a community they would have to do their own agriculture and industry to be economically independent. And it takes people to do farming, and do industry, and to rocket out to the asteroid belt to get iron ore (because doing that would cheaper than bring pig iron up from the earth). Which would require thousands of people to cooperate in a rigidly disciplined project- like if the crew of navy ship were to have to build their own ship. It would be as opposite of "being alone" as you could possibly be. If you want to live the life of a hermit it would be the opposite of what you want.


In space, robots are far cheaper to run for chores like mining asteroids. I'm pretty sure that they are ready to replace human farmers even in permaculture's mixed crops. Even now, the labour that goes into a pound of grain is miniscule. The machines and farms just keep getting bigger, and the farmers quite rare. The factories are also being taken over by robots.
I just don't see the opportunity for making a living in space. The current astronauts are incredibly expensive to support, and they are barely getting anything done even now, after years of full-time maintenance just to stay alive in a horrendous environment. Out of Low Earth Orbit, the radiation is another hazard. If the robots can build us a healthy habitat in the sky, we would be just along for the ride, and anything we wanted to meddle in. So, it would be crazy to be there, too.