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GalileoAce
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08 Jul 2005, 1:21 am

Why?

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08 Jul 2005, 1:51 am

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Why?

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Because I thought I had upset you. I hate upsetting fellow Aspies.


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08 Jul 2005, 1:53 am

Nah, it takes alot to upset me.
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I was just being over dramatic. ;)

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08 Jul 2005, 1:56 am

Okay. Sorry anyway.


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08 Jul 2005, 7:04 am

I have this theory that twenty years from now there will be a cure, people will take it and then declare:

"I'm no different! People still hate me!"

The scientists will say you weren't really Autistic at all and you were just a prick, the curbies will denounce you for 'lying' about your Autism and all the while you still know you are Autistic.

Then the curbies give it to their children and the magic 'Homeopathy effect' which means they can give their children water in capsules and things magically clear up will happen. The curbies dance with joy. Then another twenty years later the curbie parents die, their adult children regress but can turn nowhere for help because everyone knows Autism doesn't exist anymore except for the few Autistic groups who knew the cure didn't work because the people who made it still didn't know what exactly Autism was.

That's when the giant robots come in...



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08 Jul 2005, 7:27 am

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This the image of those who would line up for the cure....

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What's this picture from? The only thing missing from it are the heavily armed Stormtrooper guards



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08 Jul 2005, 7:34 am

Lucas wrote:
I have this theory that twenty years from now there will be a cure, people will take it and then declare:

"I'm no different! People still hate me!"

The scientists will say you weren't really Autistic at all and you were just a prick, the curbies will denounce you for 'lying' about your Autism and all the while you still know you are Autistic.

Then the curbies give it to their children and the magic 'Homeopathy effect' which means they can give their children water in capsules and things magically clear up will happen. The curbies dance with joy. Then another twenty years later the curbie parents die, their adult children regress but can turn nowhere for help because everyone knows Autism doesn't exist anymore except for the few Autistic groups who knew the cure didn't work because the people who made it still didn't know what exactly Autism was.

That's when the giant robots come in...


There's also the fact that even if people were magically cured (which I don't think is possible), a lot would be shocked to find that their problems didn't go away.

One, if they missed learning certain things at certain stages of life, they'd have to catch up a lot to be "normal" in those areas of knowledge. NTs aren't born knowing everything they learn by adulthood.

Two, when a person has a particular characteristic that they are discriminated against for, they can forget that people without that characteristic still have problems. This has happened with people with things considered "disfiguring" that have been corrected, and then when they still have problems with people, they're confused about why.


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08 Jul 2005, 8:05 am

Yes, that's why I get kind of upset when people blanketly attribute specific and general problems to Autism: remove Autism and they have no idea if they will still be there and even if the problems do disappear it may simply because the person no longer has the ability to recognise them which Autism gives.

Identifying WHAT the problems really are is important but no one is actually doing so, just assuming based on their own version of their experiences. I found out why Aspies have problems socialising and it has nothing to do with their condition: They have to learn from Neurotypicals, but Neurotypicals aren't exactly automatic experts themselves. An NT does not do well because they have skills that an Autistic doesn't, they do well because they are surrounded by other NTs.

I discovered this during my time in a residential school for comunication difficulties, the headmaster was very posh and had a strong ideal for instilling good manners in students which often led people to assume that they didn't have any problems. He would sit and eat with the students at a different table each day and he would teach us very clearly what manners were all about and loads of social skills. At the weekend we all worked out that 'normal' people don't actually have good manners or social skills at all as there was no mutually respectful exchange between them and us.

The head was an NT, but he was a very ordered and consistent one.



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08 Jul 2005, 9:21 am

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Oh, It's from the comic book, found here


Oh cool, I didn't realise it was one from the X-Men Series



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08 Jul 2005, 1:02 pm

Lucas wrote:
Yes, that's why I get kind of upset when people blanketly attribute specific and general problems to Autism: remove Autism and they have no idea if they will still be there and even if the problems do disappear it may simply because the person no longer has the ability to recognise them which Autism gives.

Identifying WHAT the problems really are is important but no one is actually doing so, just assuming based on their own version of their experiences. I found out why Aspies have problems socialising and it has nothing to do with their condition: They have to learn from Neurotypicals, but Neurotypicals aren't exactly automatic experts themselves. An NT does not do well because they have skills that an Autistic doesn't, they do well because they are surrounded by other NTs.

I discovered this during my time in a residential school for comunication difficulties, the headmaster was very posh and had a strong ideal for instilling good manners in students which often led people to assume that they didn't have any problems. He would sit and eat with the students at a different table each day and he would teach us very clearly what manners were all about and loads of social skills. At the weekend we all worked out that 'normal' people don't actually have good manners or social skills at all as there was no mutually respectful exchange between them and us.

The head was an NT, but he was a very ordered and consistent one.

Of course they will be rude. They cannot accept neurodiversity. Few NTs can.


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I WOKE UP AND THEN I REALISED,
I WAS NOT WHAT I HAD ALWAYS TRIED TO EMULATE.
INSTEAD A SHADOW OF FORMER GLORY.
AND THEN I CRIED.


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08 Jul 2005, 1:54 pm

No thanks. I'll keep my Aspieness.


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08 Jul 2005, 2:04 pm

I wish I still felt as positive as you Sophist. I know we've debated many times on this site whether Asperger's is a blessing or a curse, but at the moment I do see it as a curse and I think the world would be better if we had all been born normal.



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08 Jul 2005, 4:19 pm

Do you speak for yourself Tom, or for all?

Is there a reason for how you are feeling like this?



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08 Jul 2005, 4:21 pm

Lucas wrote:
Do you speak for yourself Tom, or for all?

Is there a reason for how you are feeling like this?


Just for myself. I dunno, I just broke up from Uni for the summer holidays, that always leaves me feeling a bit weird and down.



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09 Jul 2005, 3:27 am

Its only a curse when you have to follow the rules of the NT world.
If I could have a job where the job was systematic, I could take my time, have all the necessary information about the tasks supplied and written down, have friends who don't mind me not talking, and a girlfriend who doesn't mind that either or want intimacy, what curse would there be? Really, for us neurotypicalism is the curse, not autism.

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A wheelchair user is only unable to enter the bus because of the poor design of the bus; someone with partial sight may only be unable to read a report because it is printed in small type.

Disability is therefore a particular form of social oppression.