HORROR: Concentration Camp for Auties and Aspies

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It's not ECT because the shocks are intended to cause pain and arent always done through the brain.
No one deserves that kind of power over another individual, if the severity of the cases was as bad as you say they should just let them kill themselves, to do otherwise would be selfish; if they want death, why not give it to them?

Anyone who is a danger to themselves should be allowed to just kill themselves, I cant understand why the f**k everyone thinks its their responsibility to 'save them' with ECT or whatever other sick s**t they can think up like ammonia gas.

Are you suggesting that what Dr Israel does is okay ? As this discussion goes on the victims sound less and less like aspies, and more and more like the whole place is begging for death.

That's the moral debate. Obviously, the parents of some children disagree with you.

If it stops the patients from harming themselves or others [to a far greater extent than said "shocks" do]; I don't see why it would be so deplorable in extreme cases (obviously, using it on someone who constantly swears or exhibits other behaviour that isn't "harmful" to anyone, I'd dispute it then).

It didn't see any reference to people with Asperger's disorder in the main article (autistic disorder and its 75% mental retardation rate is a far cry from the common "aspie").

Spam is annoying, but zapping kids is NOT????

I have no words for you... sad, sad, sad... is all I can say.

Star

Who may PROBABLY can't help???

HOW THE HECK DO YOU KNOW THAT THEY CAN'T HELP?

Oh yeah, you just need a good excuse to be pathetic and not even take the least action to change things...

That is exactly why people like Dr. Israel get to do such things. People like you allow them to do that, cause you prefer to just sit and do nothing to change it.

Sending an email seems to me a far better solution than "KILLING the people from JRC" but if you think YOU can pull that through go ahead. I just have a feeling that your words are bigger than your actions and you will do absolutely NOTHING!

Star

This is indeed horrible. I wonder, however, if these people would receive any better treatment in the outside world. If this place, and others like them, were shut down, and these people found themselves out on the street, equally horrible things would happen to them. A bad situation all around.

I don't, I'm just saying its not that likely that they are going to do all that much.


That was a sarcastic reply aimed at Evilmonkey. In fact my whole post was.

In case if you didn't realize, I actually supported your idea somewhat... so don't fly off the handle at me!

I apologize for saying what I said at you. But PLEASE, if you support this cause then send emails to show that you care!! !

Star

Unfortunately,cases like this 'hospital' exist around the world.
There are numerous cases of sadistic behavior towards persons that are physically or mentally disabled.
Case described above is just top of iceberg.
I have seen on TV documentary about torture of persons with Down syndrome.

Now,a little philosophical question...
Why such things happens in institutions of 'healing'?

Now,many people believe that purpose of hospitals is to help people.
And this is wrong assumption!
Hospitals indeed 'help',but only partially.

Society in which we are living is NT society,and NT society has its codes.
First code of NT society is - interests of group is more important then those of individual.

What is 'sick' individual?
Part of society,that doesn't 'work' well.
If sickness of a patient is not 'curable',there are another options - isolation and punishment.
Individuals that are not adaptive to society must be isolated and punished,so that they not interfere social process.

On another level this means simply this:
If you are not part of social body,than you wound this social body merely by your presence,and therefore your own body must be punished in return.

There is a less severe solution,and this is pet solution.
Where people with mental and physical disabilities are object of pity and 'protection'.
Such persons are treated as pets,and are not consider fully human...like Down syndrome people.


For more understanding about NT society and its real codes please read works of:

Michel Foucault

1.Theories of Punishment
2.The Birth of the Biopolitical
3.Security, Territory, Population
4.Psychiatric Power
5.The Abnormals

Jean Baudrillard

1.Symbolic Exchange and Death
2.Simulacra and Simulation

My question is: Why hasn't the mainstream media taken five minutes from Hilary and Obama to report this?

Well I can say that if I lived anywhere near Boston, they'd be getting some rather threatening graffiti from yours truly

I could live with the "isolated" part; it's the "punished" part that angers me, and that shows just how irrational these NT's are.

But I digress from the topic; this school has been written up in mainstream press, "controversial" methods discussed, but nothing ever came of it...

You must bear in mind that this doctor is using these "treatments" to change behaviors that parents (usually) can't handle, and he has at least some success at doing it. The parents say something like "I know it's extreme, but we couldn't handle his (whatever) behavior. We were at our wits end, and it was either this or have him institutionalized."

They think of this doctor not as a sadist, but as a savior.

It's hard to refute their argument, mis-guided as it is.

Do the graffitti thing through email! Write them a bunch of emails and ask your family and friends to write too

Star

That made me sad.

I can never concentrate on such long articles, but this one I read from beginning to end. Poor kids. Poor adults.

"While staff have been contending with injuries ever since Israel opened his facility, the recent influx of
high-functioning students, some with criminal backgrounds, has brought a new fear: that students will join forces and riot. Perhaps tellingly, among high-functioning kids most of the violence is directed at the staff, not each other. "

Maybe because high functioning kids ARENT RATS. Yeah, they'll learn when to behave and when not, but not for the right reasons. I wouldnt be surprised if one day one of his high functioning labrats jumps up and chews his throat out.

Friend of mine works at a high security (equivalent category B prison) mental facility in Rotherham. They deal with the seriously dangerous one, the ones who cut people up, or set fire to each other.. the most dangerous of the criminaly insane.. and guess what? They wouldnt even contemplate the s**t this guy is pulling as it is monstrous and inhumane. Ironic that he should be named Israel.. Mengele might be a more apt moniker.

TBH theres not a great deal overseas types can do about US legislation and criminal activity etc. Looks like a job for the US guys, which assumably means writing to Senators and so on. (Dont know, not American.)

The use the sadness as an energy to change things for these kids. Only experts like Attwood and Gray can stand up to this insane 'expert' and say he is wrong.

Write them an email telling them that.

Star