I'm beginning to really dislike this board!

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Me too. I got very lucky with jobs and relationships. Everyone always knew I was extremely different - let's be honest, just plain strange - but I managed to stay at my insurance job for 17 years and I've been married for 23 years. None of it has been easy - it's been hard as hell. Dealing with people at work was a nightmare every single day of those 17 years, even though I was valued there. So I get pissed when people put other people down for not handling their lives the way they think they should, and then turn around and complain about how horrible their own lives are. If their lives are so horrible, they should try and have some empathy for other people who have the same problems. You can give other people direct advice without being judgemental and tearing them a new a-hole.

Well, I meant for regular jobs, and at least in CA it at least WAS that way. Whatever, 16 is still pretty young.

The ability to use a computer to post on a message board definitely doesn't mean a person is functional enough to hold a job. Why would you let this affect you? You're absolutely GOT to get to a point where what others say doesn't affect you so deeply, or it will destroy you. Who cares what someone else thinks in a situation like that? It doesn't affect you unless you let it. You know who you are, what you're capable of, and so forth. Whomever wrote that is also entitled to their opinion. It doesn't mean their opinion is factual, opinion is not fact by definition. Plainly though, every one of us is entitled to an opinion. I've had people fully agree with me, and fully disagree with me here. I'm not freaking out about it and neither should you. In fact, sometimes a disagreeing point of view helps us have those little epiphanies in life. Sometimes it is gaining new perspective through the other point of view. Sometimes it's just a realization that people can be idiots but either way you can take a lesson from it or let it wreck you. Choice is yours. You have a heck of a lot more control over your life and feelings than you think. You're stronger than to let an opinion unhinge you. I don't even know you and I know that much. You just need to see that strength in yourself, change your paradigm.

Are you implying a degree isnt work?

The ability to post on a message board does mean pretty much you can do some sort of work (in a large proportion of cases anyway), there are plenty of things that those with enough drive can do online, and even those with less drive can. Even if it is as simple as filling out surveys or something. Yes there are those who are incapable of getting a job, but there are plenty of people who claim they can get a job who actually can. Certain people on here just need to stop using AS as the ultimate excuse...

Last edited by Hadron on 10 Oct 2007, 1:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.

You know full well I was talking about work as in a job/career, so don't even try it on me. Not in the mood for semantics.

Studying can be a career. And no I am not telepathic, much as I would like to be.

Stop wasting bits with weaseling and give names. Or shut up.

Need I really give names. I didnt realise you were so dim I needed to actually name them

I see, you really don't have the guts to use names.

I don't even need to read the rest of the thread to see YOU are one of them. WHAT, you want COMPANY!?!?!? Hadron offered you some good advice! Just take it!

Has anyone met someone who could not find a job because of Asperger's? I've lost jobs because of that...that becomes a major problem because when they call to get a reference from the previous job, they say they would not hire me again because of my problems. My only problems were very simple to fix: I need a moment to think of a response, I need to be able to take a minute or so breather after a major "rush" of customers, and for some understanding that you have to tell me specifically what is needed...I can't read what is being implied. I rarely had a problem...but one is all it takes. I am in college now so I can get a job where this will not be as big an issue. Without a degree, if you have issues, you can be backed into a corner. I feel for them.
And do not judge someone lazy or unwilling unless you really know them. You don't and can't know all the details.

I asked Hadro to stand up for his words and not hide like the weasel he is, I didn't ask one of his suckpuppets to answer for him. But take my advice, read the thread next time, to spare you some more embarrassing moment.

WOW, you think I am a sock puppet?

Learn how to read.

To be honest I think that tiker just doesn't understand people who are not like her. She makes generalisations. We do that.

I'm 25 and by no means wanting to be dependant on my mother. If anything I have to fend off her attempts to interfere in my business. So am tight lipped in my affairs but at the same time I'm dependent. I don't want to be. It is not a choice. I have cognitive problems. I can't work in an office even a psychiatrist said so. I've been trying to do some programming work. But if you have bad congnative dysfunction and had other problems as a result of trying to fit in, it is really difficult to make a living out of it without some kind of help. I can barely remember to eat let alone do the planning necessary to do it seriously. The joke is I know exactly what is required, I did courses on top of that but it still can’t help me. I've been pushing hard with these experts to try and get them active in helping me. I'm making some small progress with drugs; I don't want to jump the gun. Nobody wants to be like this. It is not like: "Hey I'm a bit f****d in the head and I can't work properly, scrounge and still live with my parents, while you’re off doing 'careers' that you don't actually care about apart from the payslip each month. Do you want to hang out?" That's a joke, I'm not really that vindictive.

It is not something that has been easy; it has been a long road with lots arrogant twats in the way You know what? I've been right about most things. I have not applied for disability, not because I can't but because of the stigma and also I can’t go near the building let alone go for an interview. I am a perfectionist, I hate failing, I want desperately to be able to use my curiosity. That is my kind of ambition not this 'career' bollocks. I like the quote in KristaMeth sig

He was self educated. I agree wholeheartedly. Pushing people into carers and universities is just politics. There is no skills shortage just people willing to do what they have be trained given their prospects for those skills. Except in a number research based jobs people get trained up only to later use little of their so called 'skills'. Do you think Leonardo da Vinchi would of said "I wonder what my careers advisor has in store for me because I can't make up my mind, is it inventor, engineer, painter, architect, anatomist?” ? Would Michelangelo have said “…maybe I just do this lark for a couple of years and hopefully by then I’d be promoted to management so I can collect the readies and watch some other poor sod do the work for FA. I’m really a big fan of flat organisational structure”. Of course they had their own problems nonetheless.

Sometimes working is not the best option at the even if you can do it theoretically. If it is going to lead to a breakdown it could set you back years. You may never recover.

I went to a talk by Dr. Clark who is an expert on social anxiety CBT over a year ago and he mentioned a report that was commissioned for the government not by ‘Health Tsar’ but a reputable economist. In it essentially said things like mental health and an unseen health problems account for a large number of people out of work and the government had a responsibly in funding treatment programs and improved conditions for the benefit of the economy’ it recommend things such as CBT and other things as effective but vastly under funded. This report has been around for a number of years, and was totally ignored even though it was commissioned for the government. Only today did I hear on the news that funding has just been approved and effective treatments like CBT have been given more recognition over the fragmented and misguided treatment system. Of course this is a long way from recognising the impact of nuerodevelopmental disorders, but nonetheless some of these things can be useful. CBT can be applied to some of the problems faced with someone with ASD, and secondary mental health problem caused by social pressures. These are not without limitation of course. I understand the concept of CBT so I don't need somebody to help me with things i can do something about, cogantive problem like mine I can't. I am trying differnt drugs, it is still very new pie in the sky stuff so things are very uncertain for sure.