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21 Aug 2005, 8:36 pm

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One of the rules of science is that any law or theory can possibly be disproven by further evidence, that it is all just a framework toward understanding and nothing is set in stone. But thats a far cry from dreaming up some crazy invisible boogeyman and saying "well theres nothing to prove it isn't really there!"


I totally agree with everything you said but isnt TeelaClarke's story just as acceptable as all religous beliefs as there is no scientific evidence that backs up belief in God or any other spirits either is there?



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21 Aug 2005, 8:50 pm

Some of the so-called 'cyberpunk' sub-genre of Science Fiction make much use of a so-called 'Datum Plane', analogous to the old mythology of the Astral Plane. Of course, in Sci-Fi, the so-called 'Infomorphic beings' are AI Constructs (Artificial Intelligence). See for example Dan Simmons (The Fall of Hyperion), William Gibson (Neuromancer, Mona Lisa Overdrive, Burning Chrome) etc. In cinema, consider The Lawnmower Man or even The Matrix Trilogy. Of course, these works of fiction are just that - fiction.

The idea that such a thing as an AI 'personality' that in any way functionally resembles human personality could be created stems from the 'Strong AI' school of thought, a belief I personally do not subscribe to. It also has echos of the Frankenstein Mythology. I am also thinking of HAL (doubtless people will realise that the letters 'H-A-L', when each letter is rolled forward one position in the Alphabet make up the letters 'IBM'), from 2001: A Space Oddyssey, or the Three Laws of Robotics forumulated by Isaac Asimov, for example.

Another book I would mention which is Non-Fiction, was written by a Cambridge Mathematics Professor called Roger Penrose. The book was titled The Emperor's New Mind and the book attempts to deflate the 'artificial intelligence bubble', a goal I think it achieves quite well.



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21 Aug 2005, 9:01 pm

eamonn wrote:
AbominableSnoCone wrote:

One of the rules of science is that any law or theory can possibly be disproven by further evidence, that it is all just a framework toward understanding and nothing is set in stone. But thats a far cry from dreaming up some crazy invisible boogeyman and saying "well theres nothing to prove it isn't really there!"


I totally agree with everything you said but isnt TeelaClarke's story just as acceptable as all religous beliefs as there is no scientific evidence that backs up belief in God or any other spirits either is there?


8O If you want to open THAT can of worms... you're certainly not the first person to say that, the comic Bill Maher has called organized religion a 'neurological disorder'. My feelings on it are mixed.



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21 Aug 2005, 11:36 pm

I just find this really fascinating. Teela has said somethings that have a grain of truth to them. Yet she is persecuted because of the predominating mechanistic view of the internet.
This is identical to the science/ religion debate that continues in our culture. Sure we all know how the internet works, probably. But many great thinkers have pointed to information as a fundamental principle in evolution, causation, and perhaps the universe as a whole. Once a life form develops to our level of awareness something resembling an internet is bound to arrise. So in this sense perhaps the "infomorphic continuum" has been around waiting for us to access it. Though I don't personally think the internet is any more important than consciousness, intelligence, or even sensation.

The fact that we have a rational understanding of the workings of the internet does not mean we understand the essential nature of information. We understand to some degree how the universe works, and the mind as well, yet people continue to find truth in religious mythology. There will always be mystery, and this is the realm of poetry, art, mythology, and some might say, madness.



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22 Aug 2005, 12:46 am

Sean wrote:
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Fair enough. I dont really think TeelaClarke has any mental health issues and presumed the thread was a wind-up but as i dont know this and as there have been a few members to tease then your right it is a bit bullying to jump in and make fun of her.

Mentally healthy people don't think up things like "infomorphic beings" who reside in a supernatural neitherworld of the internet casing judgment on people. The extremely odd creativity, the paranoia, and the supernatural elements strongly suggest that she has had some kind of break with reality.


Lol @ everyone taking the piss and making out teela's a loony. Im sitting here having a pint with an imfomorphic being and everything teela said checked out. It informs me that all the dibelievers wont be laughing anymore when they are burning in the fires of pre-rendered computer animated hell. :twisted: :twisted:



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22 Aug 2005, 12:52 am

eamonn wrote:
Lol @ everyone taking the piss and making out teela's a loony. Im sitting here having a pint with an imfomorphic being and everything teela said checked out. It informs me that all the dibelievers wont be laughing anymore when they are burning in the fires of pre-rendered computer animated hell. :twisted: :twisted:

Let me reiterate: *runs finger up and down over lips*
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B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B...
:lol:



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22 Aug 2005, 12:54 am

Gah! stop messing up the page format like that!



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22 Aug 2005, 1:03 am

AbominableSnoCone wrote:
Gah! stop messing up the page format like that!


Was that one of those inharmonic beings again. They are doing it to me too. Wed better stop discussing this or there will be computer meltdowns or something.



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22 Aug 2005, 1:05 am

Sean wrote:
eamonn wrote:
Lol @ everyone taking the piss and making out teela's a loony. Im sitting here having a pint with an imfomorphic being and everything teela said checked out. It informs me that all the dibelievers wont be laughing anymore when they are burning in the fires of pre-rendered computer animated hell. :twisted: :twisted:

Let me reiterate: *runs finger up and down over lips*

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:lol:


This thread is another one of my guilty internet pleasures. Fair play to teela for providing me with the best time i have had on wp. :lol:



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22 Aug 2005, 2:17 am

AbominableSnoCone wrote:
Gah! stop messing up the page format like that!


i quite agree.

please can people go back and edit out the rows of unecessary text, on this and on the previous page, as it is a pain in the proverbial to try and read this thread.

thank you :)

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22 Aug 2005, 4:20 am

vetivert wrote:
please can people go back and edit out the rows of unecessary text, on this and on the previous page, as it is a pain in the proverbial to try and read this thread.

thank you :)

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Actually, I'd like to see it left as is for the time being so that I can make use of this thread for my own purposes. :D In order to do so, could a mderator please move this thread to the Member's Only forum?



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22 Aug 2005, 4:29 am

sorry to ruin your masterplan, sean, ( ;) )but ... no.

it's someone else's topic, but feel free to start one of your own in the mature forum.


request repeated.

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22 Aug 2005, 5:31 am

But aren't there enough topics already? At this rate, I'll only ever read a fraction of them. :(


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22 Aug 2005, 7:56 am

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Good grief, someone says something that people disagree with and all they can do is make "crazy" jokes? Ugh. How would you like it if it were "autistic" jokes?


Well, autistic jokes would not bother me, IF they were told by people that I knew were not trying to humiliate me. For many auts, the Internet is somewhat of a communication lifeline. Aslo, I just don't like public statements and warnings that are not accompanied by supportive evidence.


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22 Aug 2005, 10:07 am

Friends,

At first I was skeptical of the idea of the Infomorphic Continuum; I even thought TeelaClarke had had a psychotic break. Now I know I was wrong! I owe an apology to TeelaClarke for being so insensitive to her for her revelation.

The Infomorphic Continuum explains many things. In ancient Babylon, astrologers tried to divine knowledge from the stars. In the Middle Ages in Europe, a select few practiced Magick; they were more in tune with the faint but everlasting pulse of Nature. Today we "modern" men and women read the stars on the Internet. It's all the same, really.

Yesteryear we called the omens of ill tides demons and ghosts. Today they might be called entities. Is there really any difference? It's not all evil and sorcery, luckily. God the Father is present in this ether of universal knowledge, for He is its creator. Remember Nietzsche's words; good and evil and the moralizing of deeds are but the creations of Man. These entities—or demons and angels if you prefer—are not bound by human, all too human conceptions of being: including right being and ill being. Remember, "They know nothing of and care nothing about human ideas," according to TeelaClarke herself.

I have drawn a picture to illustrate the concept of the Infomorphic Continuum. I hope I have not oversimplified it.

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22 Aug 2005, 4:44 pm

vetivert wrote:
sorry to ruin your masterplan, sean, ( ;) )but ... no.

it's someone else's topic, but feel free to start one of your own in the mature forum.


request repeated.

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It does not ruin my plan, but It does make it possible for the people I plan on showing this to to do a google search and find this site and using it for their own entertainment. Therefore, I repeat my request.