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16 May 2008, 1:03 pm

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You can leave me out of it thank you, I may not have any friends, but I don't particularly want any either :)
My comment was based on someone elses.

Ah right. Sorry then.
Good to hear you don't want them. I've never really understood the appeal myself either. ^_^

I mean why would I want friends when I can get all my entertainment in digital form?


To each his own I suppose. I personally like people most of the time, and have found a bit of flexiblity and nuance to do wonders. This is not being a doormat - if you're not willing to take a few moments to evaluate your words, why should someone else spend time trying to decode what you say from the insults?



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16 May 2008, 1:25 pm

I don't know.
I've never done the friends thing like everyone else seems to.
I could never keep up with everyone and cope with the arguments.
Im happy with one or two true friends and thats it.



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16 May 2008, 1:48 pm

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I never say anything nasty to anyone and no one wants to be friends with me.

I agree with others that the 'moronic' comment is probably the mistake.
I think sometimes you have to keep some comments in your head, its difficult working out which ones though.
As a rule its the ones that would make you angry if someone else called you that.

Some of you guys act like you think you're supposed to be mundies, and do things the mundie way.
It really isn't necessary.

If nobody wants to be friends with you, it is probably because you're the other sort of person: Not a nasty person, but a boring person. Afterall, people notice you far more easily if you're nasty than if you're "nice".

And besides... when you go looking for things, that is when they tend not to be found.
Don't bother looking for friends and I'm sure sooner or later somebody will find you interesting. Might take a while though.



And making angry?
Not necessary.
If you get angry over things, you're not controlling your emotions well enough. Getting angry is a personal flaw... and one which should be overcome, ideally.

People can only make you angry because you let them.... because you leave yourself vulnerable and they, in their defensiveness, exploit your vulnerability.


Personal flaws are subjective. I, for example, see plenty in you even though you seem to consider yourself a superior species. Do you really find all your little ad hominums to be useful in solving problems, or do they seem to create more for you? The content of your posts make me suspicous that you only act this way because you have a sadistic personality, not because of superior intellect. Intelligence alone doesn't give a person such venomous hatered. Your posts are almost like reading straight from the Mien Kampf. I suppose you would find some way to be proud of that as well.

Also, just because someone's opinion is different, or even if they lack knowlege that you possesss, that doesn't mean their "hardwiring" is inferior. I don't care what biology classes you've taken, it's time for you to take some sociology.



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16 May 2008, 1:58 pm

to be honest, OP I never would have got any feeling you were arrogant. the other guy who entioned the 'yous'. hmmm


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16 May 2008, 2:21 pm

Sorry, I meant to address the OP, but I got a little distracted along the way.

Yes, you come off as arrogant. Like others have already said, alot of this could have worked ok if you made some simple changes like swiching to third person in your hypothetical scenarios instead of directly addressing the reader. This is especially important if you are going to use degrading words like moron. That actually should have been left out alltogether since it serves no other purpose but to try and make yourself look smart, but in reality undermines the credibility of the rest of your argument. The rest of your post may have come off as a little less braggy with those simple changes, but it still came off as a bit pompous.

The part that really offended me though, was the subtle racist remark. That's inexcusable. You should have apologised for that.



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16 May 2008, 3:50 pm

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Exactly. I hate it when I get called arrogant just for questioning an illogical or factually incorrect belief. It's not about "my beliefs," it's about THE FACTS. Just because some nitwit disagrees with a fact doesn't mean it's not a fact.


Okay, if you can't see the arrogance here it's pathological. Unless this is sarcasm or a joke. If you don't agree with me, you're a nitwit. If you think I'm wrong for saying what's true, you're a feeb.


See how insulting that is?


I admit, I can truly be a bit arrogant sometimes, especially when I'm in a bad mood. :oops: IMO it depends on if what is under discussion, with subjective things like what movies are good, what food is good or not, etc., There so no problem with disagreements. What I have a problem with is when people treat facts (like the fact that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11) as if they were mere opinions, or they come to a conclusion based on fallacious reasoning. I have no problem with alternate ideas based on a different interpretation of the facts, it's when people ignore the facts, or use fallacy-filled reasoning I get annoyed. I'll respect people's ideas, even if I disagree with them, as long as they are based on facts and good reasoning.


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16 May 2008, 4:06 pm

People have varying notions as to what constitutes "facts and good reasoning." That's the crux of your problem right there. If my opinion is strong enough, I will argue it as fact. So would anyone else.



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16 May 2008, 4:22 pm

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my mind associates that automatically with their being a lower lifeform, at the nicest in need of a careful explanation, and at the nastier in need of serious mockery for their ignorance.

It is all quite hardwired, really.

I've never been offended by what other individuals say or think since it rarely affects me. If someone is a creationist on a personal level I don't get anything out of engaging them on that topic. If I'm dealing with someone who is slow to understand something I'm not condescending.



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16 May 2008, 4:27 pm

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I've never been offended by what other individuals say or think since it rarely affects me. If someone is a creationist on a personal level I don't get anything out of engaging them on that topic. If I'm dealing with someone who is slow to understand something I'm not condescending.


I thank you for being so reasonable. It makes my heart glad.

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16 May 2008, 4:32 pm

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People have varying notions as to what constitutes "facts and good reasoning." That's the crux of your problem right there. If my opinion is strong enough, I will argue it as fact. So would anyone else.


So if somebody claims that 1+1=3 or that the sky is pink and then gets mad at me when I insist the answer is or blue 2 I'm the one with the problem? :roll: Facts are facts no matter if people accept them or not. Logic is logic is logic, something is either logical or it's not, people's notions don't matter. I have no problem if someone comes up with a different interpretation based on the facts, It is when people reject the facts without empirical evidence because they don't fit their pet theories (like when conspiracy theorists dismiss via circular reasoning any criticism as simply more evidence for the conspiracy) I have a problem.


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16 May 2008, 4:47 pm

There you go again. It's not what you're saying, it's how you're saying it. Opinions and fact go together like peanut butter & jelly, but they are not the same thing. Do you see what I'm saying?



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16 May 2008, 4:53 pm

people that accuse accusers of accusing me of arrogance are arrogant and insulting! Just like me!

But seriously, the use of the word moron is probably what set people off. Posting your goals/accomplishments while simultaneously belittling others doesn't settle well.



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16 May 2008, 5:21 pm

Stuff like this happens to me loads actually, I dont know what you guys in the US have in classes but in the UK we have stes from 1(top)-6(bottom), the irritating thing is because of my AS i'm automatically placed in low sets for subjects where my scientifically and philosophically logical brain is actually useful, so in physics i know more about continous nuclear fusion for which people are trying to develop than my teacher does, and so i get bullied by a few people for being vastly more intellectualy superior to the idiotic NTs in my set 4 class, it just makes my mum laugh at it too


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16 May 2008, 7:13 pm

If your classmates bully you, they have a very good reason. I hope you can learn to be humble, with or without the beatings.



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16 May 2008, 10:43 pm

I have been described as the most caustic, acidic, negative individual by many people with whom I extensive interactions. All I can say is to try and appear unaware of superiority. Every time I let slip that I am way out of the league of normal smart people, it turns into the same thing, I am "arrogant".

"You think you're better than everyone else."

No. I think I'm different. I can think the way Tiger Woods can play golf, and I can socialize the way a shark can hibernate for the winter. My balance and gross body coordination is awful, but my hand-eye coordination is fine. Everyone who is trying to start or grow a business would do well by me, but I lack the skill to communicate in a way that most NTs will not find repellant.

I have found that if someone is being stupid, it is best to post the fourth or fifth pass at phrasing a response. "Is your brain soaked in chloroform?" can turn into "I found it more beneficial to..." The key is patience, it is a real bugger but it makes life easier if it doesn't matter what day or year the otherd figure out that we aren't who they made us out to be.


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16 May 2008, 10:53 pm

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I would like to ask the OP how he got to be the way he is. How did you come to view the world as an assortment of meatbags?


You're confusing pezar with SotiCoto.

and I seriously didn't see how they think pezar was being arrogant. he wasn't even attacking any one person.


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