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02 Aug 2008, 9:11 pm

Interesting thread!! !
I went out to check my boys forehead. not sure how to post a pic in here tho so you see it.
What is it with dark eyes tho??? He ALWAYS looks like he has a black eye, so dark underneath and bags under eyes too. I get less sleep than him and I don't have dark bags under my eyes.

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02 Aug 2008, 9:35 pm

Yeah other kids used to pun on my name and 'bags' because I've always had them under my eyes.

The color can be associated with very pale skin, or thin skin, or of course both. Which can be hereditary. But also thin skin in turn can be associated with hypermobility (it's now one of the skin abnormalities under 'minor criteria' under the Brighton criteria for diagnosis), which at least Attwood claims has some relation to autism. (If you're curious about the Brighton criteria they're here.)

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02 Aug 2008, 9:43 pm

Hmmm. Both my son and I have the dark circles issue (his preschool teacher asked me if he had 2 black eyes the first time I brought him in!) and we both have skin so pale/thin that you can see our blood vessels underneath when it's cold enough. We are like those transparent house geckos....

If I could quickly figure out how to resize a photo I would post our round little Christina Ricci-like faces, too. But can't.

Also, while I find this thread incredibly fascinating, I will probably kill it by saying that physical phenotyping makes me nervous because it was apparently done with great frequency in Nazi Germany.

Somebody post please, don't want to kill the thread, but had to stick that in there.

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02 Aug 2008, 9:53 pm

Ok, Patternist, I'm posting... calm down

My brother (who I'm even more sure has ASD than I am myself) has a ginormous head. That occipital bun that was being discussed earlier in the thread certainly fit him. When he was born I called him a bean head, not really to be mean, but because his head was shaped just like a pinto bean. It was just really odd shaped. His head shape isn't so obvious now that he's an adult, and has hair.

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02 Aug 2008, 9:59 pm

My dark circles are under my eyes. I always thought it was an ethnic thing with me, I have seen it in other Indian people.

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02 Aug 2008, 10:29 pm

I have dark circles under my eyes too. When I was younger, they were actual bags. I can also see my veins -- particularly when I'm cold.

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02 Aug 2008, 10:36 pm

I guess I have the dark circles also.

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02 Aug 2008, 10:59 pm

Just to add, there's really no defining physical characteristics of ASDs.

From eMedicine on ASDs:

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Physical

Overall, relatively little is found on physical examination other than the characteristics of comorbid conditions, where present, such as fragile X syndrome or tuberous sclerosis.

A neurological examination can screen for possible inborn metabolic and degenerative diseases.

Head circumference is greater than the 97th percentile in 25% of individuals with autistic disorder; arrest of head circumference growth in Rett disorder can occur in children older than 5 months.

Motor clumsiness may occur, especially with Asperger disorder.

A slight increased risk of nonspecific minor congenital abnormalities exists.

Mental status examination findings include poor eye-to-eye gaze, lack of social interaction, stereotypic and repetitive use of language, inability to carry a conversation, preoccupation with a few stereotyped patterns of interest, and stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms.

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02 Aug 2008, 11:09 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:

catspurr wrote:

zen_mistress wrote:

He also has an occipital buns, it is a protruding bit of bone at the base of the skull.

I have that as well. A chiropractor asked if I had been in an accident after examining the base of my skull and told me it was the source of my migraines. It's on my left side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occipital_bun

It isn't something an accident would create. Also, it is in back, and probably fairly even.

I know. He just noticed something was strange and asked if I was ever in an accident and I said no because I don't recall being in an accident that would have cause it. I do notice that the left side in the back protrudes a little more.

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03 Aug 2008, 12:53 am

Danielismyname wrote:

Just to add, there's really no defining physical characteristics of ASDs.

From eMedicine on ASDs:

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I think that point is accepted; it doesn't negate the curiosity if there are some minor traits that appear more frequently than others.

Interesting on the dark circles; I'm almost positive mine are from insomnia, although I have always been a little off-colour below the eyes.. *laugh* Admittedly, I didn't sleep well as a child either. Once out, things were good - just didn't know when that would be.

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03 Aug 2008, 4:17 am

I don't have a prominent forehead.

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03 Aug 2008, 9:21 am

MartyMoose wrote:

Dan Aykroyd says he has Asperger's

Ah dam you beat me to posting that

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03 Aug 2008, 5:57 pm

my forehead isn't prominent in proportion to my face, but i have a huge head :lol:

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03 Aug 2008, 8:15 pm

lol i always thought i got it from my mom XD but it never explained my paleness... i blamed the paleness on my scottish dad cause i never knew him, not that its a bad thing, i like being whiter than printer paper~ makes me look like a porcelain doll (i love those things)

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03 Aug 2008, 9:51 pm

patternist wrote:

I thought that was normal for white people? Maybe I need to look at other people's skin than my own.

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03 Aug 2008, 9:53 pm

patternist wrote:

hmm... i never thought about it.... but i do have dark circles alot

i thought it was just cause i dont sleep well. though i can see through my skin to see my veins on the other side of my arm... thats normal for the abnormally pale

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