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18 Dec 2008, 10:14 am

My point I hoped to air by starting this thread is that Xmas highlights my isolation due to aspi social difficulty etc. and no family or friends which means zilch 'fun' for me. Its like having ones nose rubbed in it so to speak.



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18 Dec 2008, 11:50 am

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I cannot stand this insane commercialization. I'm not religious, but if there really is a God, he's gonna send all of the people who take part in this commercialization, straight to Hell.
thats the spirit, :lol: and i love christmas even if it is a fake holiday. my sister said she got me a little something this year wich means its probably a t-shirt or boxers. i bought my sister and her husband some fire agates awile back and im gonna give them to her. my nieces are bascally spoiled since are family is so mixed, we are a blended family. so they have like 5 or 6 sets of grandmas and grandpas. my real dad called my sister on the phone and told her he was sending a christmas card to each of us with money in it, but me and my sister are sending it back because we dont even know the guy. i'll probably talk to my aunt who lives in california on christmas on the phone and pig out at my moms house, she said shes gonna get me a stocking and lots of candy. i also got my mother a fire agate :D


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18 Dec 2008, 12:05 pm

Christmas might be alright for me this year - I get to spend it alone.

I don't get on with everyone in my extended family - some of them I'm very uncomfortable around, and the ones that do matter to me know they do and I don't need to participate in holiday rituals for them to know that.

I can't stand all the false cheeriness, either. I'm happy for people who enjoy the season- but not everyone does, and telling me to smile won't make me feel any more festive.

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18 Dec 2008, 12:42 pm

I'd like to add that I, too, absolutely abhor the commercialized version of Christmas. I hate the fact that so many stores were putting out Christmas stuff before Halloween. I hate even more that those same stores don't have their Christmas stuff out anymore. Example: I walked into our local Lowe's last week and their Christmas stuff was gone. 100% vanished. As though Christmas was already over. It actually pissed me off.
That is when I have to reach back into the happy child-hood memories I am blessed to have and re-create Christmas in the image I'm more comfortable with. I love making cookies and giving them away. I love making chili and eating by the (gas) fireplace. I love wrapping presents even more than giving them away. I love dropping off a new toy at the firestation. I love making cranberry bread like my mom used to. I love making crafty things to decorate our home.



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18 Dec 2008, 1:23 pm

I don't really feel like it makes sense for me to celebrate it considering I don't follow Christianity. I still enjoy seeing my extended family, most of whom I only see once or twice a year due to the distances we live from each other. I also like giving gifts, though I rarely ask for anything.

Hm, on a side note, I am SO FREAKING SICK of the damn Christmas music. At my work, its the same soundtrack looped with all the 'classics'. Then when I get home, my mom has the radio onto the Christmas music station. I just can't escape it!



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18 Dec 2008, 1:48 pm

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Good cheer depends largely on having people to share it with. I used to love Christmas when I was a kid, because it was a serious family affair, but now that I am isolated, without friends or family, I find it very lonely - the loneliest time of year. Especially because it's also my birthday. And spending time with well meaning strangers doesn't work - it's not a substitute for having a real family. Unfortunately.

A lot of isolated lonely people find Christmas hell.

Shoot, I'd KILL for a bit of owntime at Xmas.
My issues stem from not having ENOUGH owntime.

Owntime is SOOH important to me - allows you to recentre and find yourself after the stress of the outside world.
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It's a question of balance.

I love the commercialization of it, because it means chocolate on sale. Chocolate sale season starts when they put the back to school stuff away and bring out the Halloween candy, then goes through Halloween, Christmas, Valentine's Day and Easter. Chocolate has kept me alive and sane some winters, although this year I don't seem to crave it so much.

I dislike most of the music, though there are a few pop tunes that are ok. My mother used to put Gregorian chants on the record player when she did her Christmas baking, and I always liked that. But you never hear that stuff on the radio.

Christianity isn't what it could be (no religion is), and I can see how people from other Semitic traditions (Jews, Muslims) wouldn't like being reminded of Christian hypocrisy from the past (not necessarily all gone, unfortunately). I'd like it better if it were a more generic seasonal holiday we could all share. Of course, I'd also like people to share it with. I'm probably going for a long walk that day, get some peace and quiet in a park somewhere.

Vancouver is only half white these days. I wonder what it's like for the Asian half of the city? I hope they get some good stuff on sale, if nothing else.

I actually dislike the whole food bank/soup kitchen/toy donation stuff. The only reason people do that is because society is structured in such a way that a significant minority of people can't make ends meet. Wouldn't it be better to eliminate poverty and to save that stuff for emergencies like someone's house burning down? Then it would be neighbourly rather than part of a two-tier society.



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18 Dec 2008, 10:22 pm

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I have serious issues over the way that American society has commercialized Christmas (and, for that matter, pretty much everything else). It has become an excuse for a two-month-plus bombardment of obnoxious advertisements intended to dupe, coerce or otherwise get people to spend money to acquire things that they are obligated to give to others whom they may or may not care enough about to otherwise give a gift to. (excuse my run-on sentence)


You watch too much TV then. If you went and did christmassy stuff like a soup kitchen or make a sleigh or something like that, you wouldn't be watching the ads, would you?


Actually, I don't have cable or even a set of rabbit ears in my house. I have watched very little television in the last ten years. However, there are many other forms of advertisement, some of them quite passive that are involved. The phenomenon is pervasive throughout our society. It is really difficult to leave home without noticing them. In terms of donating time, money or goods to homeless and/or otherwise disadvantaged members of the human species, I don't need a holiday for this. I help when I have the time and opportunity, regardless of the season.

I guess I'm a bit cynical. I just figured this was the holiday cynics thread.



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19 Dec 2008, 1:13 pm

As i never shop or walk down a high street, or watch tv I never witness any of this commercialisation.



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19 Dec 2008, 7:34 pm

I'm a Christian, and I don't find Christmas helpful in any way to my faith. There is nothing in the Bible that says to celebrate Christ's birth. Birthdays are a relatively modern celebration.

I know a lot of Christians find it very helpful to have a set time to remember Christ's birth, and I completely respect that, but personally, I find it unhelpful, because I am always aware that Christ was born, and it doesn't deepen my faith in any way to spend a specified day thinking extra hard about it.

I think celebration of Christmas should be a choice, and people shouldn't be ostracised or judged if they feel no affinity with it and choose not to celebrate it.



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19 Dec 2008, 8:45 pm

ya well i detest people that detest christmas



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19 Dec 2008, 10:27 pm

It's fun to surprised the unsuspecting simply by remembering them. I make out cards for store checkers, the man that changes the oil in my truck, etc. I make note during the year when people I know mention something inexpensive that they love (like almonds for instants) then I wrap up a bag and give them to them. Just simple acts ("How did you remember that??!") bring such joy. I find the holidays really enjoyable for this alone.